Genie
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In a large class of horses (25+) being judged in a "Solid Colour Class" could someone provide some reasons why a silver dapple grey with a white mane and tail would be placed first over many solid colour horses?
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Becky
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A silver dapple IS solid color! I've seen many gorgeous silver dapples with snow white manes and tails win the Solid Color classes and deservedly so!
Genie
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Thank you. I would not have classed the horse as solid in a million years.
I appreciate your information, learn something everyday.
I appreciate your information, learn something everyday.
Jill
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Silver's a solid color, just like palomino, buckskin, bay, and sorel with a flaxen mane are all solid colors even though their mane and tail are a contrast color to their bodies. "Solid Color" is anything that isn't pinto or appy.
When it comes to color, I will do it at a show if I have a real nice colored horse, just for the fun of it. However, in AMHR it is ONLY about the color the judge likes the best and in AMHA it is MOSTLY about the color the judge likes the best (small amount based on conformation w/ AMHA). So, for me, it's fun but not a big deal the way halter and driving are (to me, to others it may be very important).
From what I have seen, colors that often do well are really golden palominos, silver dapples, buckskins, greys and solid blacks... but again, it's just about the color the judge likes the best that particular day... Keep in mind, it's not much different than if we did a poll here and asked everyone to pick their one favorite color. There would be some more popular than others, but you'd see that there's a color for everyone
When it comes to color, I will do it at a show if I have a real nice colored horse, just for the fun of it. However, in AMHR it is ONLY about the color the judge likes the best and in AMHA it is MOSTLY about the color the judge likes the best (small amount based on conformation w/ AMHA). So, for me, it's fun but not a big deal the way halter and driving are (to me, to others it may be very important).
From what I have seen, colors that often do well are really golden palominos, silver dapples, buckskins, greys and solid blacks... but again, it's just about the color the judge likes the best that particular day... Keep in mind, it's not much different than if we did a poll here and asked everyone to pick their one favorite color. There would be some more popular than others, but you'd see that there's a color for everyone
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djskid
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When we first started showing we wondered about what class to put our dapple gray mare into and was told unless she was a pinto or appaloosa she goes into solid colour. Even roan horses go in solid colour!
targetsmom
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Does anyone know what to do with a gray horse that WAS a pinto or Appy? Our gray mare is really a pinto and we never showed her in color at the Pinto shows and never considered showing her in color at AMHA. Since she is a registered Pinto, would she be considered a "Multi-color"?
The Simple Life Farm
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All pintos or apps go in multi-color, all others are solid color. I do have a friend that has a palamino with a belly spot, and wasn't real sure which class to show him in, as you can't see the spot unless you are on your knees!!! LOL.
Becky
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'Colors' are unrelated to 'patterns'. Any color of horse can be a solid color. But if it has a pattern of pinto, appaloosa or both, then it is a 'multi color'. Hope that helps!
Genie
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The dapples were what fooled me as they are many times very pronounced giving me the idea that it is a "pattern"
In the case of a "varnish appie" I have, I doubt she would have any chance in colour and she wouldn't be solid either.
She has a tinge of white hairs evenly on her rump.
In the case of a "varnish appie" I have, I doubt she would have any chance in colour and she wouldn't be solid either.
She has a tinge of white hairs evenly on her rump.
Becky
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Dappling is not a pattern as any color of horse can have dapples. And many silvers do not have dapples!
As far as your appaloosa, unless she is very strong in her pattern, it would not be worth putting her in a color class. One needs to put the very best representative of a coat color or pattern in a color class in order to expect to place well. Here's an example of an appaloosa that does really well in the Multi Color classes in AMHA. Moriahs I B Fancy owned by Suzanne Sooter. Fancy won the AMHA Honor Roll last year and was Top 10 at the World Show.
As far as your appaloosa, unless she is very strong in her pattern, it would not be worth putting her in a color class. One needs to put the very best representative of a coat color or pattern in a color class in order to expect to place well. Here's an example of an appaloosa that does really well in the Multi Color classes in AMHA. Moriahs I B Fancy owned by Suzanne Sooter. Fancy won the AMHA Honor Roll last year and was Top 10 at the World Show.
MinisOutWest
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here are some 'crazy' samples of my past and current winning Pintos for Multi Color.
This is Beau- he is a gray Pinto and won Pinto World in the Color class- go figure !!
Then here is Finn- He too is a Pinto- has a white spot on top of his rump about the size of 2 quarters, he just beat my yearling stallion(picture below), and has many times in multi color.
And here is my yearling, the one Finn beats!! go figure.....
This is Beau- he is a gray Pinto and won Pinto World in the Color class- go figure !!
Then here is Finn- He too is a Pinto- has a white spot on top of his rump about the size of 2 quarters, he just beat my yearling stallion(picture below), and has many times in multi color.
And here is my yearling, the one Finn beats!! go figure.....
There is no right or wrong judging in a color class. It is simply a preference of that judge no different then the age old blonde or brunette or red heads...
Some may prefer a minimal appy compared to a leopard appy - others may prefer a mostly solid pinto while another judge may love a lot of white.
When it comes to solid some like buckskins some like grays some like black or whatever there is no rhyme or reason and no good or bad in the judging it is pure and simple what that judge likes in color.
Some may prefer a minimal appy compared to a leopard appy - others may prefer a mostly solid pinto while another judge may love a lot of white.
When it comes to solid some like buckskins some like grays some like black or whatever there is no rhyme or reason and no good or bad in the judging it is pure and simple what that judge likes in color.
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Color classes to me can be as subjective as halter classes it is what the judge likes on the day of the show. I have seen horses that would have fit much better in multi visually that had to be in a solid class and horses that you would think were solid in a multi class and take the class because color isnt just about the color per se but also about the richness of the color we have a bay right now that is showing dapples something I have rarely seen in the sun you can see the dappling and she is solid bay. As for the silver dapple it is really no different than silver bays who are rich red with flaxen mane and tail many of them also show in solid. .
I have a 29" silver dapple mare who is super rich gray in color and very dappely with a bright white mane and tail. Last Sunday she took a 5th in a solid color class out of 12-15 horses and only 1 other silver dapple was in the class and placed as well. Each time she has entered a color class she always places.
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Sunny
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As a judge, I would agree with this statement completely. Generally speaking, when I look at a colour class, solid colour specifically in this case, I look for the best of each colour, like the best grey, the best black, palomino, sorrel, etc. I also consider coat condition, shine and cleanliness. I've been to many shows where it's obvious that the judge likes black horses, for example, as the top three are that colour! I rarely, if ever, use the same colour twice.
As for the multi-colour classes, I look for even pattern on both sides (which may or may not be 50/50) in the case of pintos, and good examples of the various appy patterns. As with the solids, I also look for good coat condition, etc.
Backwoodsnanny wrote: "Color classes to me can be as subjective as halter classes it is what the judge likes on the day of the show." I don't agree with this comment because halter classes have a certain criteria by which they're to be judged, that being the standard of perfection. Personal preferences do play a role to a certain extent, but not nearly as much as in the colour classes, in my opinion.
Hope this helps.
Aristocratic Minis
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I think it depends as much on the condition as the color.
Last year a black horse won at Worlds in one of the color classes. He was such a shining, glossy black that you practically needed sunglasses to look at him. He looked stunning. You could tell he was in very good health and condition. It was not just Show Sheen or shiny spray. That horse was in terrific shape.
As for dapples, other colors of horses often have dapples when they are in really good nutritional shape. I've seen dappled buckskins, bays and palominos that have been gorgeous.
Last year a black horse won at Worlds in one of the color classes. He was such a shining, glossy black that you practically needed sunglasses to look at him. He looked stunning. You could tell he was in very good health and condition. It was not just Show Sheen or shiny spray. That horse was in terrific shape.
As for dapples, other colors of horses often have dapples when they are in really good nutritional shape. I've seen dappled buckskins, bays and palominos that have been gorgeous.
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"Does anyone know what to do with a gray horse that WAS a pinto or Appy? Our gray mare is really a pinto and we never showed her in color at the Pinto shows and never considered showing her in color at AMHA. Since she is a registered Pinto, would she be considered a "Multi-color"?"
It would have to show in the multi color. I have a greyed out pinto that looks now solid white. I showed her at a fun show a few years ago, and put in, legally, in the multi color class. A friend was judging, and walked around my mare several times, and even came back across the ring to look her over. She even bent down and peered under her neck and belly. The judge finally sidled up to me and ask me "why is this horse in this class?" My response? Because she IS a pinto! Then I pointed out the faint, but visible, skin delineation showing where her spots were. We got a good laugh together.
At another show a judge DQ'd a friends horse when someone showing their horse, a wannabe trainer, took it into solid color class. It was another grayed out pinto, but the judge could see the lines.
My stallion is a beautiful bay, and he won National Champion color at Nationals last year. Bay with a black overlay. So any color can win!!
It would have to show in the multi color. I have a greyed out pinto that looks now solid white. I showed her at a fun show a few years ago, and put in, legally, in the multi color class. A friend was judging, and walked around my mare several times, and even came back across the ring to look her over. She even bent down and peered under her neck and belly. The judge finally sidled up to me and ask me "why is this horse in this class?" My response? Because she IS a pinto! Then I pointed out the faint, but visible, skin delineation showing where her spots were. We got a good laugh together.
At another show a judge DQ'd a friends horse when someone showing their horse, a wannabe trainer, took it into solid color class. It was another grayed out pinto, but the judge could see the lines.
My stallion is a beautiful bay, and he won National Champion color at Nationals last year. Bay with a black overlay. So any color can win!!
rabbitsfizz
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It should not be the Judges preferences until the options of the class definition have been exhausted...ie the Judge should judge by the rules.
If the horse is not well patterned it should not win a pattern class that is to be judged on pattern alone.
If it wins because there are so many percentages given for pattern/conformation/ way of going etc, fair enough, but it should not win just cos the Judge likes it.
That is not Judging, sorry, that is just someones personal opinion, and whilst to a certain extent that is what it always is, that is not what I go in the ring to get.
I go in the ring to get the opinion of an expert who is also governed by the rules and regulations (of which there is a whole flipping book load, remember) of the Association!!!
Which is another reason it drives me NUTS when the smaller horses get no real look in!!
Read the rules, for goodness sake.
If the horse is not well patterned it should not win a pattern class that is to be judged on pattern alone.
If it wins because there are so many percentages given for pattern/conformation/ way of going etc, fair enough, but it should not win just cos the Judge likes it.
That is not Judging, sorry, that is just someones personal opinion, and whilst to a certain extent that is what it always is, that is not what I go in the ring to get.
I go in the ring to get the opinion of an expert who is also governed by the rules and regulations (of which there is a whole flipping book load, remember) of the Association!!!
Which is another reason it drives me NUTS when the smaller horses get no real look in!!
Read the rules, for goodness sake.
Genie
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Exactly how I feel.
How can a judge be guided by their preferences and at the same time call themselves a judge?
