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anita
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I could be wrong it was $ 19.00 per horse in CA at the vets
Does someone know if that could be done by the owner with their own equipment and numbers?
Thanks
Anita
Does someone know if that could be done by the owner with their own equipment and numbers?
Thanks
Anita
Nathan Luszcz
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The chip itself is cheap, sub-$30 ($19 sounds about right, but it may be a little higher). You do need a vet to do the injection, its a gigantic needle that needs to be placed just right in order to get the chip embedded in the correct ligament. You also should have a chip reader to verify that the chip is working and the correct ID is displayed. You can buy the chip directly from the manufacturer, then have the vet inject if for you. Most vets won't/can't buy them for you, from what I've heard (why that is I have no idea).
Don't forget to figure out what chip to buy. The Equine Working Group (the industry arm of the equine version of NAIS) disagrees with the frequency to be used. ALL US horses at this point have been microchipped (if they have one) with a 125mhz chip. Small animals, livestock, and imported horses (done overseas) are chipped with 133mhz chips. The two are not compatible with each other, although there are readers that can do both. The current industry standard is 125mhz, the EWG is recommending 133mhz. Which will it be?
And don't forget to protest NAIS if you disagree with the idea of having your horse tracked every time you leave your propery. I'm all for the idea of nationally mandated microchipping (look how benificial it was to LA during Katrina) but the idea of logging my horse in and out of the farm seems a huge invasion of privacy to me. Educate yourself closely and look at both sides to see through the propaganda BOTH sides are spewing. We don't have to accept NAIS if we don't want it, but in order to do that people need to make themselves heard NOW. Its the will of the people, and the more people learn about it the more people are shocked at the invasion of privacy that is being put into law without people even knowing about it. I'm for and against it, so I'm trying to present a middle opinion, but try your best to get unbiased information, there isn't much of it out there in regards to NAIS.
Don't forget to figure out what chip to buy. The Equine Working Group (the industry arm of the equine version of NAIS) disagrees with the frequency to be used. ALL US horses at this point have been microchipped (if they have one) with a 125mhz chip. Small animals, livestock, and imported horses (done overseas) are chipped with 133mhz chips. The two are not compatible with each other, although there are readers that can do both. The current industry standard is 125mhz, the EWG is recommending 133mhz. Which will it be?
And don't forget to protest NAIS if you disagree with the idea of having your horse tracked every time you leave your propery. I'm all for the idea of nationally mandated microchipping (look how benificial it was to LA during Katrina) but the idea of logging my horse in and out of the farm seems a huge invasion of privacy to me. Educate yourself closely and look at both sides to see through the propaganda BOTH sides are spewing. We don't have to accept NAIS if we don't want it, but in order to do that people need to make themselves heard NOW. Its the will of the people, and the more people learn about it the more people are shocked at the invasion of privacy that is being put into law without people even knowing about it. I'm for and against it, so I'm trying to present a middle opinion, but try your best to get unbiased information, there isn't much of it out there in regards to NAIS.
Dontworrybeappy
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Nathan Luszcz
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You have to dig really hard to get through the propaganda on that website. Many of the facts there are skewed and slanted. I know they mean well, but the way they do it leaves a lot to be desired... There are things there (well, there were, I haven't looked there in several months) that were just plain false. But NAIS is here, and action must be taken if its to be defeated. I just wish they did it a little more honestly.
Well the price is a relief. WE have to microchip, brand, or tatoo a horse to get a coggins here in La.. So that means all my horses microchiped now have to be done again. That sucks!
I don't agree with the government keeping up with everything our animals do as far as going to the vet or going on a trail ride. As far as my chickens go I will never chip them. They stay here and eat while I get a egg every now and then. They can stick that ideal right where the sun doesn't shine. I can see if you are selling a animal for food. I agree with that but to do it on backyard animals that will never see another home or cooking pot for that matter. No I won't do it.
I don't agree with the government keeping up with everything our animals do as far as going to the vet or going on a trail ride. As far as my chickens go I will never chip them. They stay here and eat while I get a egg every now and then. They can stick that ideal right where the sun doesn't shine. I can see if you are selling a animal for food. I agree with that but to do it on backyard animals that will never see another home or cooking pot for that matter. No I won't do it.
Nathan Luszcz
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I find it very hard to believe LA is requiring a SECOND microchip... are you sure that's what the law says? I didn't realize you were in that state. Since they've been requiring chips for years, did they really decide to REchip ALL of the animals?! That's beyond stupid... I'd fight that tooth and nail if I were you
I'm not taking this out on you, I'm just amazed at our government.
I'm not taking this out on you, I'm just amazed at our government.
[SIZE=14pt]We had a big to do here not too long ago on this and our state rep was there to hear concerns and one of the local vets who is on the board of the horse vet accociation said he got confirmation that HERE we would NOT be required to chip or tag ANY horse. How knows.... just another mark of the beast if you ask me.[/SIZE]
April
April
Hey I agree, I don't like it a bit. From what I understand we will have to do the re chipping of the horses because the current chip isn't what they want. I've been trying to tell people local about this for months and no one believed me. Now that it makes it in the paper everyone is having a fit. We are having a big meeting on it but I bet it won't do any good. They are going to do what they want.
shminifancier
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[SIZE=10pt] Q: Will I have to report every time my horse moves off its premises?[/SIZE]
A: Not EVERY single movement of your horse will have to be reported. This would obviously be an unrealistic
goal. Movements such as local trail rides, shows or ropings would not be required reportable events.
is likely that the movements that would be reportable would be when horses are transported interstate or to
premises where a brand inspection, Certificate of Veterinary Inspection or other health papers are required.
And Besides that here is another misconception as One you go into the Premises ID First Part of the 3 part program then you Have to go into the Cipping ID Part. Nope.
08. Does signing up my premises obligate me to participate in the next steps?
Signing up your premises or location does not obligate you to participate in the next steps of the initiative, which are animal identification and animal tracking. USDA encourages you to understand what is involved and make the best business decision for your operation.
And all this was right on the USDA own Web site not some of the anti sites.
A: Not EVERY single movement of your horse will have to be reported. This would obviously be an unrealistic
goal. Movements such as local trail rides, shows or ropings would not be required reportable events.
is likely that the movements that would be reportable would be when horses are transported interstate or to
premises where a brand inspection, Certificate of Veterinary Inspection or other health papers are required.
And Besides that here is another misconception as One you go into the Premises ID First Part of the 3 part program then you Have to go into the Cipping ID Part. Nope.
08. Does signing up my premises obligate me to participate in the next steps?
Signing up your premises or location does not obligate you to participate in the next steps of the initiative, which are animal identification and animal tracking. USDA encourages you to understand what is involved and make the best business decision for your operation.
And all this was right on the USDA own Web site not some of the anti sites.
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Nathan Luszcz
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"Signing up your premises or location does not obligate you to participate in the next steps of the initiative, which are animal identification and animal tracking. USDA encourages you to understand what is involved and make the best business decision for your operation."
That is very deceiving on the part of the USDA. RIGHT NOW, and actually FOREVER, NONE of the USDA initiatives in regards to NAIS are mandatory. You can ignore all of the USDA's suggestions for NAIS!
Okay, that doesn't sound right... why?
Because NAIS is a STATE law, not a federal law. So far several states have completely initiated NAIS, others are "lagging" behind. The USDA makes its "suggestions" and the states are responcible for putting them into law. As far as I know all fifty states have mandatory premise registration, but no fines and enforcement for another year or two.
That is very deceiving on the part of the USDA. RIGHT NOW, and actually FOREVER, NONE of the USDA initiatives in regards to NAIS are mandatory. You can ignore all of the USDA's suggestions for NAIS!
Okay, that doesn't sound right... why?
Because NAIS is a STATE law, not a federal law. So far several states have completely initiated NAIS, others are "lagging" behind. The USDA makes its "suggestions" and the states are responcible for putting them into law. As far as I know all fifty states have mandatory premise registration, but no fines and enforcement for another year or two.
Sorry.....but the whole idea STINKS. (Not to mention absolutely STUPID.)
Why don't they put all this energy into tracking illegals???? And since they can't get THAT organized, how the heck are they going to organize keeping track of everyone's animals????
All they want is the $$$$.
Sorry, but this is just another stupid example of the government butting into people's lives. This has nothing to do with health concerns with big livestock breeders........so no one needs to even bring that arguement up. If the current laws and rules were enforced properly, ie.....in regard to transport..... that's all that would be needed.
MA
Why don't they put all this energy into tracking illegals???? And since they can't get THAT organized, how the heck are they going to organize keeping track of everyone's animals????
All they want is the $$$$.
Sorry, but this is just another stupid example of the government butting into people's lives. This has nothing to do with health concerns with big livestock breeders........so no one needs to even bring that arguement up. If the current laws and rules were enforced properly, ie.....in regard to transport..... that's all that would be needed.
MA
Nathan Luszcz
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NAIS does have a purpose, and that's to make our beef hold up to international standards in regards to disease tracking. The argument is that horses are livestock too, and if they want out then why are they considered livestock? If they aren't livestock, then they don't qualify for tax benifits... if we only want them to be livestock for tax benifits (which is pretty true
) then they should get all the other "benifits" of livestock classification, including NAIS... its a very circular argument, hinging around the idea that horse farms need the agricultural classification to make a living, and the fact that people don't want to give that up. If horses were classified as pets and companion animals, they would become far more expensive.
shminifancier
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[SIZE=10pt] I agree Nathan[/SIZE]
This was set up way back in the days of ISO International Standards Org. ( ISO 2000 ) And It is a Traceback system for anything. Diseases, where certain thinga are at any point in time etc. And for the life of me I can't see why ALL animal would not be behind this because if a disease does break out wouldn't you want it to be found out about and stopped at the point of Origin? Instaed of spreading to other places, including your own place? This then would finds and contain an outbreak before it spreads to other places.
This was set up way back in the days of ISO International Standards Org. ( ISO 2000 ) And It is a Traceback system for anything. Diseases, where certain thinga are at any point in time etc. And for the life of me I can't see why ALL animal would not be behind this because if a disease does break out wouldn't you want it to be found out about and stopped at the point of Origin? Instaed of spreading to other places, including your own place? This then would finds and contain an outbreak before it spreads to other places.
Nathan Luszcz
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Well, then why don't we chip humans and track human diseases too? (cuz that's in the works, believe it or not) Do we really need to back track flu? Or strangles? Or just deal with it when you get it? I don't know of a single disease (except maybe some STD's) that need a traceback method. Horses aren't cattle, they don't pose a health risk to humans any more than ANY animal can. We don't eat them, so why should we track them the same way? The goal is a GPS transiever inbedded in your horse's body... does that sound like a good idea to you?
