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Actually, AMHR does. CDE's count towards the Amateur Advantage program just as do open shows, parades, therapy visits, etc.

CDE's in my opinion are way too complex to add as another division to AMHA/R but are a great place to show off our miniatures in the wider driving world. I'm excited about the new breed partnership program with ADS! There are currently special awards for highest-scoring Friesian, Morgan and Welsh at our local shows thanks to their breed associations; I'm hopeful that now there will be neck sashes for the highest scoring VSE as well.

Leia
I don't know on this Leia, Pinto has a Combined Driving year end - and painted VSEs are eligible for PtHA registration, and so can earn a ROM for Combined Driving. AMHR does have the Amateur Advantage program, but not Combined Driving, per se. Guess I will look into it a little more, because if AZ is any measure of a "competition poor" area, and we have at least 40 VSEs competing. WA, OR and the east coast must have thousands of VSE. I would think the time arriving when AMHA/R could rank Combined Driving right up with any of the other driving competitions for year end division.

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Guess I will look into it a little more, because if AZ is any measure of a "competition poor" area, and we have at least 40 VSEs competing. WA, OR and the east coast must have thousands of VSE. I would think the time arriving when AMHA/R could rank Combined Driving right up with any of the other driving competitions for year end division.
Who on earth told you Arizona was a VSE-poor area? The Pacific NW has more sanctioned competitions, yes, but you guys have every bit as many VSE's waiting to compete in them. Washington, Oregon, California and Arizona are the hot spots across the country for our division- there are many other places where organizers are still reluctant to even allow VSE's to compete and there are other places where they encourage them but no one wants to enter.
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For much of the East Coast this is the case and so combined driving and other ADS competitions are still very new to the AMHR. We don't really have year end programs either, just Hall of Fame (over the horse's lifetime in a specific division) and All-Star (for each year and in a specific class like Ladies Country Pleasure Driving Under). There's not a lot in place for horses competing outside of AMHR sanctioned shows. I think this new breed partnership is the first step for such recognition to come. And hey, the ADS now has year-end awards! I can't wait to compete for those in 2012.

Leia
 
Can't speak for AMHR but AMHA is not considering it. The article was just to give folks interested in other uses for minis something of interest. ADS is developing a breed partnership program with the various breeds to promote cross exchange of items of interest AMHA felt that the September issue being the "performance" issue would be a good place to start.
That was the impression I got when I spoke with them. Guess I am kind of a snob about this - reverse snob, maybe? We do have one horse registered with each of the registries, but I don't pay very much attention to them because we don't drive pleasure classes. The one horse, from what I understand, was at Nationals, so I guess he has some talent there, but I don't think he's going to get there again - he's enjoying cones and hazards too much. And I am more of a blue jeans and baseball cap mentality. I love the turnouts, but I can't see me there.
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I have seen that ADS is working to promote cross exchanges, though. In fact, I even forwarded their notice to the saddlebreds to a large saddlebred trainer in our area. She wrote back and said they were NOT interested because there was so much prejudice against them in the dressage arena! I was really surprised, as I had taken a Peavine SB to Intermediate 3-day, and his owner continued on to Advanced with him. I never saw a prejudicial comment. Again ridden, not driven so maybe not same criteria. One would think that a horse who moved well and did an accurate test would be equally scored ridden or driven?
 
I have seen that ADS is working to promote cross exchanges, though. In fact, I even forwarded their notice to the saddlebreds to a large saddlebred trainer in our area. She wrote back and said they were NOT interested because there was so much prejudice against them in the dressage arena! I was really surprised, as I had taken a Peavine SB to Intermediate 3-day, and his owner continued on to Advanced with him. I never saw a prejudicial comment. Again ridden, not driven so maybe not same criteria. One would think that a horse who moved well and did an accurate test would be equally scored ridden or driven?
I know there are some very nice Saddlebreds in the CDE sport. Maybe they wouldn't be able to "cut it" in the World level where they are primarily using Warmbloods, but at the other levels, I don't see any prejudice either. That is the great thing about the driving sport, if your horse moves well, it doesn't matter what it is or what its bloodlines are!
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This is true for CDEs or Pleasure shows!

Myrna
 
I do not know about the large shows but here we have a ADS club that puts on pleasure shows as well as CDE and ADT along with playdays and clinics I have been helping them with the shows for a couple years it is always fun and a great learning experience

They are very friendly and even the judges are wonderful. We have told them we have a green driving horse and we need him to go in the ring as if he were at a breed show- Check on and no breeching (we do not have breeching) the president of the club was wonderful she said she understood fully - discussed with the judge and it all ended up being no problem at all we went in the ring as we would have for the breed show with the exception of a apron (which was nothing more then a throw folded on her lap ) and did well and had a great time.

I found the ADS club a great place to learn and meet new friends
 
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Good deal! That is THE most wonderful thing about ADS and its members. They (or we, it is our (the member's) organization) are the most gracious, helpful, friendly group of people in the horse world!
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If that ever changes, we will have to find a different sport!
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A side check is not against the rules for ADS pleasure shows. An overcheck is only allowed with certain historic vehicles. Breeching isn't even mandatory, but it is unofficially recommended. We used to show ADS shows with a side check and no breeching, but thimbles. We were told by a nice fellow exhibitor at our first show that running martingales were not allowed, so we took that off. However, just like you experienced, rules can be "waived" with the approval of the TD and/or show management if they are logical requests.

So, I guess what I am saying is that I am so glad that you had a good ADS experience, and I hope that other people will try it because it really isn't as far "out of reach" as some people think!
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Myrna
 
Myrna mentioned some things you will need for the competition, but here are a couple other things you will need on the way there:

A slow moving vehicle triangle for the back of your cart when doing roadwork. You can buy one, but you can make one a heck of a lot cheaper - just an orange triangle. I did actually get stopped by a cop for not having one! (It's a small town)

A gear bag that will attach/detach quickly. I know some people use a fanny pack and buckle it through their basket on an EE cart. Just big enough to hold water bottle/sandwich/kleenex. I share my water bottle with PJ. I also tend to come in late from work, throw together a sandwich and toss it in my bag. Sometimes share that with PJ too.

Oh, and don't put your cell phone in the gear bag. If you take it with you, put it on your personage - preferably in a heavy duty case. If it's in the gear bag and, heaven forbid, you and cart part company . . .

A spare halter and lead in case you need it while on the road.

We have tons of goatheads, so some of us carry FastFlat.

Also, look at competition photos and see what the drivers are wearing! Plan your wardrobe carefully. You will need brown gloves! This was my first year driving, I had a heck of a time trying to figure out what to wear. PJ is leggy and not very flashy (my brother calls him "Homely Boy"), so I got a brow band that would give a little colour to his face. I drive a HyperBike, so my attire was going to be a little different - sure couldn't hide that it was a "bike" not a cart. Also, I wear a helmet from eventing days, so it has a cover. I finally went with grey slacks and a long sleeved green shirt and my green and grey cover. The shirts have changed during the season, but always long-sleeved, and in greens or blues and grey, with matching cover. Our last ADT, the dressage judge scored the Presentation very high for us. When someone asked why we'd got such a high score, and they got such a low score, the judge said because my horse was rather standardbred in shape, so the 'Bike was appropriate to his build, and my attire was appropriate for the 'Bike and well coordinated. The fact that I roll my sleeves up on the marathon portion had nothing to do with my dressage score, of course. But that score was one of those little things that helped us win our division this year. So see what is appropriate attire for your area, and especially for your horse and cart. Treat yourself to a new wardrobe! (sort of).

Gather cones or coffee cans - anything you can make a course out of and work up to 20 gates. Learn to memorize a course after a few walk throughs - not just driving through randomly.

ohhhhhh, you are in for so much fun!


Hi there,

What do you mean by "work up to 20 gates". What's a gate? Yes, I truly know nothing about this, but am wondering what to work on with my mare when she comes home from basic training, to head her in this direction.
 
A "gate" is a set of cones. At Combined Driving Events, the cones course is about 20 sets of cones. We work our horses on cones even when we are line driving, so that they get used to seeing them and understand that they are to go in between, not over, them. Working up to 20 gates means for your horse to have the stamina to drive around that much (a CDE is NOT a 5 min. breed show class!), and for you to remember where 20 gates are. (I almost got lost this year finding a "blind" gate.)

For a green horse, you might want to consider an ADS pleasure show first or an Arena Driving Trial, which is an abbreviated CDE. A full CDE with a green horse and a "new to CDEs" driver might be more than you really want to take on. I know I wouldn't have wanted to do that! (I had my husband do it instead!
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) At a pleasure show, the cones courses are usually only ten or so gates. Your horse doesn't have to be in immaculate shape to take the stresses, and you can opt in or out of certain classes. Granted, you can opt in and out of phases of the CDE, too. I know of drivers that have done only Dressage and Cones, and skipped the Marathon with their green horse. It takes a bit of a commitment from drivers to get their horse in good enough shape to drive a marathon. I know that a few years ago, we did not drive our horses enough to have them in that kind of shape. It means 3-4 times a week at least, for at least an hour if not more of mostly trotting. Horses need to be worked UP to that.

I have a green mare that I am working right now to be ready for next year's CDEs. We are working on bending properly (not only for Dressage, but also for obstacles), accuracy in not running over cones (we start with $1 soccer cones before we make our way to the expensive ones. Ran over two last night. OVER, smushed, flattened...she is NOT ready yet!
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), transitions, etc. She already has GREAT relaxation, much like your mare. Maybe a bit too relaxed. I need to get her a bit more responsive. She also doesn't have much stamina. I work her about a half an hour to maybe 45 min. My "finished" gelding works for an hour and a half at mostly a trot. (Yes, we work on the walk as well.)

However, I could take her in a pleasure show today. I'm not saying that pleasure shows are easier, just easier for green horses that you don't have a lot of expectations for. In order to place well, you usually have to have more than just a green horse.

The nice thing about green horses and CDEs is that you are the only one in the ring at a time, so you don't have to worry about running anyone else over!
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The above mare went to an ADT for her first driving show, and that was great! She got exposed to the show environment without a lot of stress (ADTs are pretty laid back) and heavy driving. The dressage test is shortened (I got lost and they blew the whistle on me, but the mare did good!), the cones course was right after dressage, and the hazards were after lunch. There is no long, drawn out walk or trot section so her condition was OK for the requirements.

Another option to help everyone understand the CDE is the get a hold of the video Combined Driving 101 with Muffy Seaton. That would give you a visual on what the whole thing is about.

Myrna
 
Great explanation Myrna! But come on, 20 cones takes being in great shape??
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That is under four minutes at a decent trot for an A-sized mini!
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Doing it with style and accuracy after a long marathon and a dressage test, yes, that takes stamina. But cones by themselves are not strenuous as far as endurance goes.

Leia
 
Great explanation Myrna! But come on, 20 cones takes being in great shape??
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No, no, I meant for a full marathon. The 20 gate cones courses are a part of a full CDE, whereas pleasure shows cones courses aren't as long, and ADT hazards aren't as long. It is easier for a green horse to complete an ADT or a pleasure show than a full CDE. That is what I meant.
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Myrna
 

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