Non-breeding mares, those that have any, how would you feel about...

[JMS Miniatures]

I'm sure one or two of us on here has a non-breeding mare due to like an bad bite or an confirmation flaw that we feel should not be passed on within the breed, but we still would like to show these horses.

Some of you know that my 06 appy filly, Emma, has an underbite. I've talked with several and they say its not much that won't pass, but others have said "WOW thats a BAD bite", and I attend to agree with them. It might not pass on, it might not even be a confirmation flaw, it might have been too tight when she came out. All I know is she had an off bite since the day she was born and still has it, and has not and will not correct on its own, maybe in the future, but right now its not doing anything.

Now despite the bad bite, she would make an awsome performance horse, and I hope that some day to get her trained to be a well trained performance horse and sell her to some body but as a non-breeding mare. You can't always depend on contracts and you can't depend on the registry. It's not fair to take a way papers and the new owners can't even show her, and this filly is too nice not to show.

So I was thinking, how would you feel about having non-breeding papers for mares in the registries. You can geld stallions, sure you can spay mares, but thats a whole different ball game, alot more $$$ and riskier towards the mare.

Would you favor Non-Breeding papers in AMHR or AMHA?

Here's my mare that I'm talking about. Wouldn't she make an awsome driving horse someday.

 

[bevann]

I was just thinking last week about a proposal to the registries for this matter.I AM ALL FOR IT.For some reason anybody who buys a mare automatically thinks they have to breed her.I think this might cut down on the number of Minis being produced.AKC has it ,Why not our registries?She would be awesome in a cart!!!

 

[ThreeCFarm]

I'd be all for it, but it won't stop people from breeding these mares for unregistered foals.

 

[Mona]

I too wish they would offer something like that. Actually, a better term would be Limited Registration, since you cannot stop people from breeding them. They could be bred, but having them on a Limited Registration so that no offspring can be registered from that horse would certainly deter people from breeding them. It would not take people long to see that it costs just as much to care for a pregnant mare with a registerable foal as it does for a grade foal.

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I also feel it would help to increase the overall quality of horses used for breeding within our breed. Many individuals would then sell the lesser quality foals on the Limited Registration, so only the better quality would remain to be used for future breeding purposes.

: No, not everyone would do so, but I know MNAY, MNAY that would, and every little bit counts!!

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[Lauralee]

I'm all for it.

It would stand to reason that a mare with limited registration would be worth more than an unregistered mare. So hopefully, those intending to breed for unregistered foals would gravitate toward the grade mares altogether.

It is unfortunate that a mare would have to go as unregistered, instead of retaining registration and being able to show.

 

[Songcatcher]

I agree and would support it. It will not completely stop the breeding of them, but I think it would slow it down.

 

[Jill]

I would also be in favor of being able to have non-breeding papers on mares that should not be bred. Kind of like the AKC and CFA has. And, I would not hesitate to show that pretty girl in performance! You already know I like her a lot

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[ruffian]

A good start, but why not have "non-breeding" or "Limited Registration" for stallions and mares? Some people just can't geld a colt.

The only problem I see with this, and I'm not sure it would be a problem, is people who put NB or LR on ALL their horses unless people pay more money for the animal. Does this make sense? It could support the market better.

 

[kaykay]

from what i have researched (with equine dentists) an off bite tends to skip a generation.

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a mare with a good bite bred to a stallion with a good bite throws a foal with an off bite. This is probably a throw back to a grandparent with an off bite. This is why people say not to breed horses with off bites. Most people unless you own several generations dont know if the grandparents had good bites. For sure people are known to lie so unless i have seen the horses bite and know myself it was good well then you know

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so now you breed the filly (or colt) with a bad bite to a horse with a good bite and they have a foal with a good bite. BUT that resulting foal could throw bad bites. Or maybe it wont. So you sell that foal with a good bite and someone breeds her (or him) and they get foals with bad bites and they wrongly assume that it appeared out of nowhere.

Most really good equine dentists can tell if a bite is just off for a short time due to teething or if its off structurally. (sp)

 

[runaway ranch]

It would nice if this could be looked into.

 

[Lauralee]

Has anyone ever offered a proposal at the AMHA or AMHR convention, to allow for this? Wondering if it has been considered in the past....

 

[shalamara minis]

I too would be for it, but it would not stop people from breeding theses mares. And that's part of the problem that we have now.

 

[JMS Miniatures]

Has anyone ever offered a proposal at the AMHA or AMHR convention, to allow for this? Wondering if it has been considered in the past....

Glad to see many our all for it. I was wondering the same thing. I would have no idea how to begin to do that, never have. However, I feel like this issue could be addressed.

True people who buy these supposebly non-breeding horses can still breed them and have grade babies. However, I would like to sell her to a person who I know, and shows especially in performance, not to some random person. Or a youth show home would be great.

Her bite was off since the day she was born, it slightly has got better, but still way off and not even close to being on. It's been several months and it hasn't changed at all. Sure I can sell her as a breeding mare and those people take the chance, but I would feel responsible if she keeps throwing off bite foals.

 

[Magic]

I think that having some kind of "Limited" or "Non-breeding" papers would be great! I imagine that it would work for the stallions that are being sold on a gelding contract too, don't you think?

Probably what needs to be done is detailed proposals sent in to the registries as requests for a rule change.

This is a great idea, let's see if we can get it done!

 

[ckmini]

I think this is a good idea for improving the breed, but I could see problems with it.

What and who would determine breeding quality? Would the mare have to have glaringly bad problems? or just minor ones?

edited for spelling

 

[Lauralee]

In my vision of this proposal, the current owner of the horse would have the right to reduce the registration to limited. Once that is done, it could not be revoked.

 

[JMS Miniatures]

In my vision of this proposal, the current owner of the horse would have the right to reduce the registration to limited. Once that is done, it could not be revoked.

I agree

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[Magic]

In my vision of this proposal, the current owner of the horse would have the right to reduce the registration to limited. Once that is done, it could not be revoked.

I agree that it would be easiest if it were the breeder of the horses to determine whether they would have breeding rights or not.

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[StarRidgeAcres]

In my vision of this proposal, the current owner of the horse would have the right to reduce the registration to limited. Once that is done, it could not be revoked.

I agree

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I too agree this is how it should be handled - excellent idea!!

 

[Lauralee]

Maybe "revoked" isn't the word I wanted to use.

Should have said, after limited registration happens, the full registration papers cannot be reinstated.

You know what I mean....