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Obama simply put does not deserve to win this election. He and his workers are big time cheaters and liars. Will do and say anything to win. jmho

Hillary Backers Decry Massive Obama Vote Fraud

Monday, October 27, 2008 10:45 AM

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With accusations of voter registration fraud swirling as early voting begins in many states, some Hillary Clinton supporters are saying: “I told you so.”

Already in Iowa, the Obama campaign was breaking the rules, busing in supporters from neighboring states to vote illegally in the first contest in the primaries and physically intimidating Hillary supporters, they say.

Obama’s surprisingly strong win in Iowa, which defied all the polls, propelled his upstart candidacy to front-runner status. But Lynette Long, a Hillary supporter from Bethesda, Md., who has a long and respected academic career, believes Obama’s victory in Iowa and in 12 other caucus states was no miracle. “It was fraud,” she told Newsmax.

Long has spent several months studying the caucus and primary results.

“After studying the procedures and results from all 14 caucus states, interviewing dozens of witnesses, and reviewing hundreds of personal stories, my conclusion is that the Obama campaign willfully and intentionally defrauded the American public by systematically undermining the caucus process,” she said.

In Hawaii, for example, the caucus organizers ran out of ballots, so Obama operatives created more from Post-its and scraps of paper and dumped them into ice cream buckets. “The caucuses ended up with more ballots than participants, a sure sign of voter fraud,” Long said.

In Nevada, Obama supporters upturned a wheelchair-bound woman who wanted to caucus for Hillary, flushed Clinton ballots down the toilets, and told union members they could vote only if their names were on the list of Obama supporters.

In Texas, more than 2,000 Clinton and Edwards supporters filed complaints with the state Democratic Party because of the massive fraud. The party acknowledged that the Obama campaign’s actions “amount to criminal violations” and ordered them to be reported to state and federal law enforcement, but nothing happened.

In caucus after caucus, Obama bused in supporters from out of state, intimidated elderly voters and women, and stole election packets so Hillary supporters couldn’t vote. Thanks to these and other strong-arm tactics, Obama won victories in all but one of the caucuses, even in states such as Maine where Hillary had been leading by double digits in the polls.

Obama’s win in the caucuses, which were smaller events than the primaries and were run by the party, not the states, gave him the margin of victory he needed to win a razor-thin majority in the delegate count going into the Democratic National Convention.

Without these caucus wins, which Long and others claim were based on fraud, Clinton would be the Democrats’ nominee running against John McCain.

Citing a detailed report on the voting results and delegate accounts by accountant Piniel Cronin, “there were only four pledged delegates between Hillary and Obama once you discount caucus fraud,” Long said.

Long has compiled many of these eyewitness reports from the 14 caucus states in a 98-page, single-spaced report and in an interactive Web site: www.caucusanalysis.org.

ACORN involvement

The Obama campaign recently admitted that it paid an affiliate of ACORN, the controversial community organizer that Obama represented in Chicago, more than $832,000 for “voter turnout” work during the primaries. The campaign initially claimed the money had been spent on “staging, sound and light” and “advance work.”

State and federal law enforcement in 11 states are investigating allegations of voter registration fraud against the Obama campaign. ACORN workers repeatedly registered voters in the name of “Mickey Mouse,” and registered the entire starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys twice: once in Nevada, and again in Minnesota.

A group that has worked with ACORN in the past registered a dead goldfish under the name “Princess Nudelman” in Illinois. When reporters informed Beth Nudelman, a Democrat, that her former pet was a registered voter, she said, “This person is a dead fish."

ACORN was known for its “intimidation tactics,” said independent scholar Stanley Kurtz, a senior fellow with the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington, D.C., who has researched Obama’s long-standing ties to the group.

Fully 30 percent of 1.3 million new voters ACORN claims to have registered this year are believed to be illegitimate.

Long shared with Newsmax some of the emails and sworn affidavits she received from Hillary supporters who witnessed first-hand the thuggish tactics employed by Obama campaign operatives in Iowa and elsewhere.

Jeff, a precinct captain for Clinton from Davenport, Iowa, thought his caucus was in the bag for his candidate, until just minutes before the voting actually began.

“From 6-6:30 p.m., it appeared as I had expected. Young, old males, females, Hispanics, whites, gay and lesbian friends arriving. Very heavily for Ms. Clinton, a fair amount for Edwards and some stragglers for Obama,” he said.

That makeup corresponded to what he had witnessed from many precinct walks he had made through local neighborhoods.

“My mind began to feel victory for my lady,’ he said. “THEN: at 6:50 p.m., over 75 people of African-American descent came walking in, passed the tables and sat in the Obama section. I knew one of them from my canvassing. I knew another one who did not live in this precinct. And aside from four or five families that live on Hillandale Road, there are no other black people in this unusually white precinct. And one of those black couples were in my Hillary section,” he said.

Thanks to the last-minute influx of unknown Obama supporters, Obama won twice the number of delegates from the precinct as Hillary Clinton.

After it was over, “a very large bus was seen in the parking lot afterwards carrying these folks back” to Illinois, Jeff said.

Obama’s flagrant busing of out-of-state caucus participants from Illinois was so obvious that even Joe Biden — today his running mate, then his rival — pointed it out at the time.

At a campaign stop before the Jan. 3 caucus at the JJ Diner in Des Moines, Biden “said what we were all thinking when he got on stage and said, ‘Hello Iowa!’ and then turned to Barack’s crowd and shouted, ‘and Hello Chicago!’” another precinct captain for Hillary told Long.

Thanks to Illinois campaign workers bused across the border into Iowa, all the precincts in eastern Iowa went for Obama, guaranteeing his win in the caucuses, Long said.

Obama supporters were also bused into northeast Iowa from Omaha, Nebraska, where Obama campaign workers were seen handing out “i-pods and free stuff: T-shirts, clothes, shoes, and free meals” to students and people in homeless shelters,” according to eyewitness reports Long collected.

In Iowa City, red and white chartered buses with Illinois license plates arrived from Illinois packed with boisterous African-American high school students, who came to caucus for Obama in Iowa after being recruited by Obama campaign workers.

2,000 complaints in Texas

In a change in the Democratic National Committee rules for this year’s election season, four states had caucuses and primaries: Washington, Nebraska, Idaho, and Texas. “But Texas is the only one that counted both the caucus result and the primary result,” Long told Newsmax. “The others didn’t count the primary at all, calling it a ‘beauty contest.’”

Because caucuses are more informal, and can last hours, they tend to favor candidates with a strong ground operation or whose supporters use strong-arm tactics to intimidate their rivals.

“There is inherent voter disenfranchisement in the caucuses,” Long said. “Women are less likely to go to caucuses than men, because they don’t like the public nature of the caucus. The elderly are less likely to go to a caucus. People who work shifts can’t go if they work the night shift. And parents with young children can’t go out for four hours on a week night. All these people are traditionally Clinton supporters,” she said.

But Obama’s victories in the caucuses weren’t the result of better organization, Long insists. “It was fraud.”

In state after state, Hillary was leading Obama in the polls right up until the last minute, when Obama won a landslide victory in the caucuses.

The discrepancies between the polls and the caucus results were stunning, Long told Newsmax. The most flagrant example was Minnesota. A Minnesota Public Radio/Humphrey Institute poll just one week before the Feb. 5 caucus gave Hillary a 7-point lead over Obama, 40-33.

But when the Minnesota caucus results were counted, Obama won by a landslide, with 66.39 percent to just 32.23 percent for Hillary, giving him 48 delegates, compared with 24 for Clinton.

“No poll is that far off,” Long told Newsmax.

Similar disparities occurred in 13 of 14 caucus states.

In Colorado and Idaho, Obama had a 2-point edge over Hillary Clinton in the polls, but won by more than 2-1 in the caucuses, sweeping most delegates.

In Kansas, Hillary had a slight edge over Obama in the polls, but Obama won 74 percent of the votes in the caucus and most of the delegates. In nearly every state, he bested the pre-caucus polls by anywhere from 12 percent to more than 30 percent.

This year’s primary rules for the Democrats favored the caucus states over the primary states.

“Caucus states made up only 1.1 million (3 percent) of all Democratic votes, but selected 626 (15 percent) of the delegates,” says Gigi Gaston, a filmmaker who has made a documentary on the caucus fraud.

In Texas alone, she says, there were more than 2,000 complaints from Hillary Clinton and John Edwards supporters of Obama’s strong-arm tactics.

One Hillary supporter, who appears in Gaston’s new film, “We Will Not Be Silenced,” says she received death threats from Obama supporters after they saw her address in an online video she made to document fraud during the Texas caucus. “People called me a whore and a skank,” she said.

John Siegel, El Paso Area Captain for Hillary, said, “Some people saw outright cheating. Other people just saw strong-arm tactics. I saw fraud.”

Another woman, who was not identified in the film, described the sign-in process. “You’re supposed to sign your names on these sheets. The sheets are supposed to be controlled, and passed out — this is kind of how you maintain order. None of that was done. The sheets were just flying all over the place. You could put in your own names. You could add your own sheets or anything. It was just filled with fraud.”

Other witnesses described how Obama supporters went through the crowds at the caucus telling Hillary supporters they could go home because their votes had been counted, when in fact no vote count had yet taken place.

“I couldn’t believe this was happening,” one woman said in the film. “I thought this only happened in Third World countries.”

On election day in Texas, Clinton campaign lawyer Lyn Utrecht issued a news release that the national media widely ignored.

“The campaign legal hot line has been flooded with calls containing specific accusations of irregularities and voter intimidation against the Obama campaign,” she wrote. “This activity is undemocratic, probably illegal, and reflects a wanton disregard for the caucus process.”

She identified 18 separate precincts where Obama operatives had removed voting packets before the Clinton voters could arrive, despite a written warning from the state party not to remove them.

The hot line also received numerous calls during the day that “the Obama campaign has taken over caucus sites and locked the doors, excluding Clinton campaign supporters from participating in the caucus,” she wrote.

“There are numerous instances of Obama supporters filing out precinct convention sign-in sheets during the day and submitting them as completed vote totals at caucus. This is expressly against the rules,” she added.

But no one seemed to care.

Despite Clinton’s three-and-a-half point win in the Texas primary — 50.87 percent to 47.39 percent —Obama beat her in the caucus the same day by 56 to 43.7 percent, giving him a 38-to-29 advantage in delegates.

Linda Hayes investigated the results at the precinct level in three state Senate districts. Under the rules of the Texas Democratic Party, participants in the caucuses had to reside in the precinct where they were caucusing, and had to have voted in the Democratic primary that same day.

When she began to see the results coming in from the precincts that were wildly at variance with the primary results, “I could see that something was wrong,” Hayes said.

Hayes says she found numerous anomalies as she went through the precinct sign-in sheets.

“Many, many, many Obama people either came to the wrong precinct, they did not sign in properly, they did not show ID, or they did not vote that day.” And yet, their votes were counted.

In a letter to Rep. Lois Capps, a Clinton supporter calling himself “Pacific John,” described the fraud he had witnessed during the caucuses.

“On election night in El Paso, it became obvious that the Obama field campaign was designed to steal caucuses. Prior to that, it was impossible for me to imagine the level of attempted fraud and disruption we would see,” he wrote.

“We saw stolen precincts where Obama organizers fabricated counts, made false entries on sign-in sheets, suppressed delegate counts, and suppressed caucus voters. We saw patterns such as missing electronic access code sheets and precinct packets taken before the legal time, like elsewhere in the state. Obama volunteers illegally took convention materials state-wide, with attempts as early as 6:30 am.”

The story of how Obama stole the Democratic Party caucuses — and consequently, the Democratic Party nomination — is important not just because it prefigures potential voter fraud in the Nov. 4 presidential election, which is under way.

It’s important because it fits a pattern that Chicago journalists and a few national and international commentators have noticed in all of the elections Obama has won in his career.

NBC correspondent Martin Fletcher described Obama’s first election victory, for the Illinois state Senate, in a recent commentary that appeared in the London Telegraph.

“Mr. Obama won a seat in the state Senate in 1996 by the unorthodox means of having surrogates successfully challenge the hundreds of nomination signatures that candidates submit. His Democratic rivals, including Alice Palmer, the incumbent, were all disqualified,” Fletcher wrote.

Obama’s election to the U.S. Senate “was even more curious,” conservative columnist Tony Blankley wrote in The Washington Times.

Citing an account that appeared in The Times of London, Blankley described how Obama managed to squeeze out his main Democratic rival, Blair Hull, after divorce papers revealed allegations that Hull had allegedly made a death threat to his former wife.

Then in the general election, “lightning struck again,” Blankley wrote, when his Republican opponent, wealthy businessman Jack Ryan, was forced to withdraw in extremis after his divorce papers revealed details of his sexual life with his former wife.

Just weeks before the election, the Illinois Republican party called on Alan Keyes of Maryland to challenge Obama in the general election. Obama won a landslide victory.

“Mr. Obama’s elections are pregnant with the implications that he has so far gamed every office he has sought by underhanded and sordid means,” Blankley wrote, while “the American media has let these extraordinary events simply pass without significant comment.”

Hillary Clinton supporters, belatedly, now agree.

© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

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Bonnie

Wow! you took up most the page on that one!
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If this keeps up hopefully they will have to stop the voting all together as there are just to many fake voters. Its going to take alot of time to get this all figured out as to what voters are good and what voters are bad. What a mess.

Nothing surprises me anymore with him!
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If he has to cheat to win, he isn't worth ever being President.

[SIZE=14pt]HAVE A BRAIN VOTE MCCAIN [/SIZE] Thats what they were yelling at the Palin rally today..

Joyce
 
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Not to say that registration fraud is good (although I would say that it's highly unlikely that Mickey Mouse will show up at the voting booth), but...

How much worse is it than the actual election fraud that gave W his election?

So I suppose it might be safe to say that the Democrats try to win by registering more people, while the Republicans try to win by suppressing votes.

Not that either is good, but it balances out.

You're INSANE if you vote McPain.

(Yes...for those without a sense of humor, this is tongue-in-cheek...and I already know: I'm immature, repetitive and jealous!)
 
Bonnie, Do you have to much time on your hands?? You can come back up and I have all kinds of jobs that have to be done yet before winter starts, I can put you to work and would really appreciate the help, bring Rodney.
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Hey Marnie, when do you want me? Remember I asked if you needed any help to just let me know and you told me Nate had everything under control. Did he get the furnace going? Hope so, it's cold out.

Ya, I do have a lot of time on my hands. Just don't know what I'll do when election is over.
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I guess I could get outside and rake leaves or something but I like this better. Love ya Marnie.
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JMHO. With what I have read here, the links to supposed emails received, the links to made up stories about Obama and the fact that some of taking it as gospel truth and every second thread is something about being scared.... is to me a pathetic attempt to continue to discredit the man at any cost no matter how silly the story may sound. It seems to me the republican tickets attack manner is spilling over big time and it is what will be the demise of them not winning the election. If the McCain camp would have come out and have attacked on issues and not character etc. they probably would have won. But people aren't stupid and things get rather old, especially when these "myths" get debuncted over and over again but other things keep re-appearing
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just to be proven wrong again and again, it's rather sad. I hope Obama will be able to bring his country together but I see that will be just about impossible and that is when your enemies will see how divided you are and that is when something will happen. As far as Palin goes, she is probably a very nice person but there is no way in heck that she is ready to be VP. She does not have a clue to many things that are of utmost importance and she is power hungry and will steamroll anybody to get what she wants. Enough to the point where I could see her starting many problems internationally for the U.S. JMHO.
 
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...every second thread is something about being scared....
Before you belittle people for "being scared" you might want to check out the thread I just started about 2 neo Nazi's being arrested. Some of us feel that our fears are quite justified!!
 
Were the neo-nazis coming after us? The plan those boys hatched up was pure insanity, I doubt they would have been able to get anyone before they were stopped.

I'm wondering just how much of that kind of craziness has been caused or helped along by some of the hateful, divisive stuff coming out of the Republican campaign. McCain and Palin have spent a lot of time and money trying to make Obama out as some kind of a radical, and now we seemed shocked that some people actually think he is.
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Were the neo-nazis coming after us? The plan those boys hatched up was pure insanity, I doubt they would have been able to get anyone before they were stopped.
I'm wondering just how much of that kind of craziness has been caused or helped along by some of the hateful, divisive stuff coming out of the Republican campaign. McCain and Palin have spent a lot of time and money trying to make Obama out as some kind of a radical, and now we seemed shocked that some people actually think he is.
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Why is everything you say gospel and anything anyone else say lies. I just don't understand why you would think this all came about by the republicans. Have the Democrats or have they not spouted hateful and racist things also?? Yes racist, they keep accusing republicans of being racist. But the Democrats are the only ones who keep bringing it up. Although that has not been said for a while. If you actually believe everything Obama says and think everything McCAin says are lies, may heaven help you. I thought you were an Independant.

I know darn well you don't remember Kennedys assasination, so don't EVER say you DOUBT it would happen. Many of us on here DO remember it. Very sad day for our country. Don't ever think it can't happen again. And although I am not racist a lot of the oldest generation still are and Obama is a prime target. I fear for him. I said it before and I'll say it again. If Obama would come forth with what people want to know------------------------IT WOULD ALL GO AWAY. Simple as that. I don't THINK he CAN prove anything.
 
Nothing I say is gospel.

Have some Dems said some dumb stuff? Yes. But have they called McCain a fascist, have they said or implied that he is unAmerican or is working with people who will destroy our nation? Have they taken his flimsy associations and used them to run their campaign? No.

When you spend weeks or months launching divisive attacks like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQmnRrdeXXA



I'm not saying or implying that any of these people would actually do anything hateful, but the mentality is worrisome, and I can easily see how the level of fear, confusion, and sometimes hate can elevate to violence.
 
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Bassett,

Lady.... YOU scare me !!!!
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H - E - L - L - O ????

Do you have a life ???!!!!

GEESH !!!!

Oh, and I will not get sucked in and argue with you. I will not even some back to read the responses here so go ahead and gripe away
 
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And although I am not racist a lot of the oldest generation still are and Obama is a prime target. I fear for him. I said it before and I'll say it again. If Obama would come forth with what people want to know------------------------IT WOULD ALL GO AWAY. Simple as that. I don't THINK he CAN prove anything.
ANY powerful political figure is a prime target.
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Maybe I missed it, but WHAT will all go away? What is this majikal verbage Obama has to tell people to "make it all go away?" Obviously he can't change his skin color, so there will still be racial B.S. no matter what he says. Otherwise, I think he's said plenty, but there are plenty of people who don't want to listen.
 
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Obama has been forthcoming about his background and associations and some people simply refuse to believe him. They go on to push for more information because they simply aren't satisfied with the truth.

Prodding him for information that doesn't exist isn't going to make anything go away.
 
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