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Even though I, like Victory Pass, was excited and ready to hardship and show a horse in AMHA this year, I had serious doubts about whether it would actually take effect this year. I thought this would be how it ended up, just like the measurement issue last year because I think it was done the same way? I do feel that the rules must be abided by, and so I will wait until next year to show AMHA. We are lucky around here to have both registries active. I am still glad that I will be able to hardship my gelding for a reduced fee and show him in 2010.
 
Actually, I don't believe anyone here had any affect on this outcome. The BOD & EC actually looked into it with no outside body pushing them. You see, there ARE honest and ethical people in positions of power within AMHA and they do double check what has been done.

Viki
 
If "vigilante" is what comes to mind then the whole point has been entirely missed.......
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Some people just don't get it
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Whatever....sigh......
 
Charlotte,

We don't describe ourselves as very small, C.A.R.E. is actually very small in number, but very large considering our active experience, legal advisement, and knowledge of the AMHA rules. The support of our group is growing in numbers as members learn what we are trying to do in working for the best interest of all AMHA's 11,000 members. No, maybe all 11,000 don't agree with what C.A.R.E. stands for, but it IS in the best interest of all those members that Association Rules and Bylaws are followed, and plain and simple, that is all that we ask.

When the members attending the Annual Meeting vote to approve rules and bylaws to be followed in the management of their Association, they have the right to insist that the directors follow these rules. In the past few years rules have been ignored and amendments have been allowed to be made that were not well thought and caused a lot of confusion and distrust within the membership.

You say since you became a member of AMHA in 1991, and with your travel while showing horses and attending club activities, you have never found a large number of members that are distrusting of the governing body of AMHA. Let me remind you of the 1993 Annual Meeting when the Board of Directors was "called on the carpet" so to speak, for distrust of their management. Eleven of them resigned at that meeting.

What about early 2004 when the Board was again not watching the Executive Secretary and AMHA almost went bankrupt? Many members we talk to are very afraid that AMHA is again headed in a direction of repeating the same mistakes.

Everyone, including C.A.R.E. appreciates the work of the volunteers that serve as directors, but why is it so much to ask that the Directors just follow the rules, and to think before they act. That is all we ask.

We do not make any statements that are not fact and cannot be backed up with minutes of meetings or the rule book. Our report on the decision made in today's Board meeting came from the President, and he gave his permission to pass it on to members. In doing so we hoped to stop so much worry and confusion concerning the new change to permanently register horses and hardship horses at three years instead of five years old, and exactly when this bylaw would go into effect. C.A.R.E. is NOT against the change in the rule that allows hardshipping at 3 years of age, and changes the permanent registration from 5 years to 3 years, all we asked is that the rules and bylaws were followed in implementing the changes...that's all.

From the positive response we have received from many members today, that is exactly what has happened.

To those of you upset with CARE for being responsible in stopping your efforts in getting your horses hardshipped, brought permanent, or shown at a younger age this year, do not blame us. If the rules had been followed, that option never would have been made available. It has not been stopped, only brought back to the proper implementation date of January 1, 2010. As Mona stated on this Forum, on the day of the Annual Meeting, she had sent a message to have this looked into before the meeting ended, and if it had been done and corrected at that time, this entire situation would have been avoided.

minimomNC, your question of, "So where does it come out better to not have the extra time?" can easily be answered...it comes out better, because the Rules and Bylaws of our Association have now been followed, and following these rules and bylaws makes for a better association.

Shaladar, there would be no need to lighten up, or even make mention of things, if rules are being followed. It seems when the members have not objected to the wrongdoings of those in command, rules are broken, and no one is ever held accountable. Then it happens more and more often, because each time it is swept under the carpet and kept quiet about. No, CARE does not have a web site.

normajeanbaker, it is really a sad situation that there are only "a few in every group or breed" that find it important enough to feel the rules and bylaws of their breed or group are followed.

Songcatcher, The members of CARE are not ashamed to give their "real names", nor do we hide behind a forum name. We are the people that signed the letters to the Board written last year asking that the "base of the withers rule" be rescinded and sent back to the membership for further consideration. Our reasoning was that the rule was passed without going through the required procedure for AMHA rule changes and could be cause AMHA a lot of problems.

Vicki, CARE never tried to take the credit to begin with, we just congratulated AMHA for their good work.

The members of C.A.R.E. have never been a secret. They were announced to the Board of Directors and on this forum when we formed in March, 2008, they are:

Mona Stone

Margo Cox Townsend

Nikki Faubus

Diane Wolcott

Adrien Christensen

We just don't understand why some people feel the need to turn a congratulatory, complimentary post into a negative post.
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Thank you to those of you that have put your faith and trust in CARE, and have expressed it through posts on this forum, and through emails and private messages. All the support you are showing is greatly appreciated, and proves that there are MANY members of AMHA that really DO CARE!
 
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I'm all for the rules being followed - regardless if it benefits me personally or not. I'm also appreciative of all the thousands of hours the many volunteers, board members and EC put into OUR organization!
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It's sometimes a thankless job I'm sure.

I'm also for oversight of any group the size of AMHA. It just makes good sense. When you add up all the money we as owners put into the breed, it's only in our best interest to have things be governed by rules. Rules that are followed.

Having said all this, I do believe that most if not all, changes that are proposed are done so in the right spirit. Sometimes people just get excited and things get carried away. Then the board went back and fixed it. All is well I think. It worked as it should have.
 
normajeanbaker, it is really a sad situation that there are only "a few in every group or breed" that find it important enough to feel the rules and bylaws of their breed or group are followed.
THAT ^^^ is a perfect example of why some of us have become a bit weary of C.A.R.E. - the way you have been tooting your own horn so loudly and with some drama over the past year. Everything was/is an OUTRAGE!! And we all needed to be OUTRAGED!!! as well. There were endless conspiracies and plots hinted at. Every little point became yet another lengthy dissertation on why we should all thank you for valiantly taking a stand and speaking for all of us and why we needed to be OUTRAGED!! We got it banged over our heads time and time again - you are the good guys fighting all the forces of evil
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- you are the only ones who care...

And when we wanted to discuss some of those AMHA matters and similar issues that may be going on in AMHR - we wanted to address all those issues - you blew us off...

Let me remind you of the 1993 Annual Meeting when the Board of Directors was "called on the carpet" so to speak, for distrust of their management. Eleven of them resigned at that meeting.
But that was over 15 years ago - and what connection would that have to the AMHA BOD of today? Or are you suggesting it could be the same way? Why not move forward instead of dwelling on the past - and seeming to relish it...

In your zeal, IMO you have often resorted to more drama than was necessary. You even lecture us. You pooh-pooh us. You elected yourselves to speak for us - and constantly tell us that. Because - as you seem to repeat endlessly - you and only you CARE. Not true. Having a watchdog group like that can a very effective tool - but the way you have presented yourselves at times has been less than - for want of a better word - professional.

And this little by-law hiccup - that was later addressed and cleared up - is just another example. Instead of initially pointing out that perhaps this needed to be addressed and discussing it quietly, we had more OUTRAGE!!

JMO... but I hope that you can take a step back and look at it from the "outside" for a change.

At least this time you applauded AMHA for sorting things out.
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Someone please show me where all the members of AQHA or AHA or AKC vote on every single item. They don't. It would be a tedious process that would only mire things down. That is why directors are elected - to represent their region.
 
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I am glad as I can only do so much paperwork a year and I am 1/2 way there to getting it all in order. Next year works for me.
 
tagalong,

I am a member of C.A.R.E. but am responding as an individual here.

It is obvious from your post that you are a very passionate person and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But it almost sounds like most of your "passion" comes from the idea that you (or a group of you) felt that you were "blown off" because C.A.R.E. did not help you with a similar situation in AMHR.

Speaking for myself here, AMHA was all I personally had the time or energy to devote to. Countless hours have been spent reading, researching and writing.

Did you ever take into consideration just how much time and effort is involved?

If you would like to start a group devoted to the workings of AMHR, you are more than welcome to. With the passion that you display, I am sure you could make a big difference there if you feel there are problems. All it takes is time, energy and effort and many, many hours of reading, researching and writing, and finding a group of people that are as passionate about the success of AMHR as we have been about AMHA. But please keep in mind if you do, that you and that group will also be criticized for your efforts just as you are criticizing us now. You will never please everybody.

Nikki Faubus
 
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Next year works for me as well. It will give me time to save up money to not only bring my stallion, Kid(who will be 5 in 2010 anyway) and my mare Jypsy(who will be 4 in 2010) but I can hardship 2 mares as well, Sky and Shania. Both are well under 34". Sky will be 5 in January 2010 and Shania will be 3 in August 2009.
 
We at C.A.R.E. would like to THANK and CONGRATULATE the new President, Jim Barenklau, and the rest of the EC and BOD for working hard to regain the trust of the members, in ensuring the rules and bylaws of our association are followed. We are very grateful to all of you and so very proud to see this positive initiative being shown by the current EC/BOD! May this continue for many years to come!
I agree wholeheartedly.

I am not a member of C.A.R.E. I am grateful that they are organized and watching things with AMHA and respect them for all they are doing. Even if this, as some claim, would have been turned around without C.A.R.E.'s involvement, would so many of us have been aware that it happened in the first place? They are doing a great job!

It should not be about who did what, but that this error has been caught and corrected. I think that the current management at AMHA and C.A.R.E. are off to a good respectful relationship that will only help AMHA.
 
It is obvious from your post that you are a very passionate person and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But it almost sounds like most of your "passion" comes from the idea that you (or a group of you) felt that you were "blown off" because C.A.R.E. did not help you with a similar situation in AMHR.
Well, that is wrong. Completely and totally wrong.

Back when some C.A.R.E. members repeatedly resorted to those LOUD OUTRAGED posts I mentioned, it came up in the discussion that we should examine all the similar issues in both registries as it was maintained by C.A.R.E. that many issues were AMHA-only (not) - and we were pretty much shouted down. It was only going to be a discussion - but no - what seemed to be a zealous crusade against AMHA at times (not even always pertaining to rules etc.) must take precedence. Nothing else was considered.

But please keep in mind if you do, that you and that group will also be criticized for your efforts just as you are criticizing us now. You will never please everybody.
No - but how you deliver your message is every bit as important as the message itself at times. And the past year, as I have said - has been one long series of lectures to us and even outright condescension at times. We have heard repeatedly how grateful we all should be for you.... how you and only you care....

It has felt a bit elitist - and I know that I am not the only one who felt that way. So when the anonymous C.A.R.E. post turned up yet again about the issue at the meeting - I confess that I sighed... figuring there would just be more SHOUTING..

Even if this, as some claim, would have been turned around without C.A.R.E.'s involvement, would so many of us have been aware that it happened in the first place? They are doing a great job!
And they keep beating us over the head with that fact.
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All their hard work is/was great - all the drama and SHOUTING is/was not. JMO.

Thus I am pleasantly surprised to see them actually praising AMHA - and hope the drama will all be in the past from now on....
 
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Next year works for me too, I already have 3 mares turning five this year and dont really need to pay anymore than that at once.
 
tagalong,

If the C.A.R.E. posts or other AMHA discussion posts upset you so much, then don't read them.
 
Congratulations to AMHA .
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I find it very honorable that you saw the

error and corrected it. Sometimes things sound very good when first

presented but then after a few days the wrinkels start appearing. I think

that is why the by laws are set up as they are. The wrinkels can then be ironed

out before its implemented.

Thank you members of C.A.R.E for taking your time to monitor the registry and

to see that the rules and regulations are followed as they are written. You are doing

what I am too lazy or too busy to do. I am one of those that would just complain about

it later. I don't think the board members delibrately try to break the rules, but in

discussions and meetings I think that sometimes , things just slip by unnoticed.

Thats why a group like C.A.R.E is needed. Sometimes I do think your opinions

are strong but anytime anyone is passionate about the job they are doing that just

happens. It goes with the territory and is a clear indicitation that you are serious about

doing a good job. That is why I do not take offense . I am only appreciative .

This move by AMHA to resend this rule was not about whether taking temp to perm at

3 is good or bad. It is only about following the rules, and that is a good thing. Maryann
 
tagalong,

It would be a good idea if you calm down and reread what you write. You are the one with the drama and OUTRAGE and some misinformation. Perhaps you cannot hear yourself for your own SHOUTING and LOUD OUTRAGE.

First of all, C.A.R.E. would not discuss AMHR issues because some of us are not AMHR members and we are not sufficiently knowledgeable of their rules. If you are, by all means, discuss away, as I am sure some one will talk to you.

Find a C.A.R.E. post any where that shows even one half the drama and outrage you expressed in your last two posts, we would love to see it.

Please find a post where C.A.R.E. suggested that we should all be thanked for taking a stand and speaking for all of the members and why everyone needs to be outraged.

If you don't think all of the rules of AMHA should be followed, and a bylaw violation is just a "hic up", then you would never understand the importance of these rules to those of us in C.A.R.E., so I won't spend time on that.

So it was 15 years ago in 1993, when AMHA members brought up a big issue of distrust of the management, and directors resigned.

Don't you think we should learn from our mistakes even if they are in the past? In 2000 the same thing started again, the directors overlooked the actions of the executive secretary for four years, and almost bankrupt AMHA. As far as we know the only lawsuits ever filed against AMHA were due to rule violations on the part of officers and directors. There were two lawsuits and AMHA lost them both.

Should we not learn from those past experiences and try to make sure the rules are enforced? C.A.R.E. members do, and so do more and more AMHA members that contact us almost daily. Just the support we have gotten in the last two days is astounding. Emails and private messages are giving a lot of support from members.

We never at anytime stated that we believed AMHA members should vote on every single item. Those are your words, and you are wrong. Back up your statement with a post from us that says that. We have only supported a bylaw change that would allow members to vote by mail or internet on bylaw and rule changes, and the election of officers. The member support for this idea is growing by leaps and bounds. We don't want any one to thank us for anything, we just ask those members in favor of enforcing rules and a full membersip vote to help us get the proposals passed the correct way.

By the way, we at C.A.R.E. have listed our names publicly since March 2008, and again on this thread. We don't hide behind screen names. Why don't you come forward and list your real name. Do you own Miniature Horses registered with AMHA, and are you an AMHA member?
 
It would be a good idea if you calm down and reread what you write. You are the one with the drama and OUTRAGE and some misinformation. Perhaps you cannot hear yourself for your own SHOUTING and LOUD OUTRAGE.
I was just referring to many posts in the past - and yet here you are on the attack. Wow. I am calm. I was not shouting - except to illustrate what has been done in the past. And there has been waaaay too much drama at times.

Please find a post where C.A.R.E. suggested that we should all be thanked for taking a stand and speaking for all of the members and why everyone needs to be outraged.
In your own posts - as individuals - many times you have lamented that only you seemed to care and that not enough others did... and that we needed to take a stand. I am not going to go back and sift through a year's worth of posts. It was just a general observation - and thus JMO - as I made clear.

If you don't think all of the rules of AMHA should be followed, and a bylaw violation is just a "hic up", then you would never understand the importance of these rules to those of us in C.A.R.E., so I won't spend time on that.
Now you are putting words in my mouth
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- and there is that condescending tone again - I could not possibly "understand". Where did I ever say that rules should not be followed? Nowhere. And yet sometimes - even in the most rigidly controlled meetings of any association - points of order may get past everyone and need to be addressed later. It is thus a "hiccup" in a way - and not necessarily a sign of anyone trying to ram anything through... and purposefully breaking rules.

Should we not learn from those past experiences and try to make sure the rules are enforced? C.A.R.E. members do, and so do more and more AMHA members that contact us almost daily. Just the support we have gotten in the last two days is astounding. Emails and private messages are giving a lot of support from members.
I said you were doing a good job behind all the drama - but feel free to ignore that. And I knew that you would say we need to learn from past experiences - that goes without saying. But looking forward is far preferable to looking backwards. AMHA and the entire industry is not the same as it was 15 years ago - or even back in 2000. Going back 15 years to address today's concerns is like chasing your tail... you get nowhere fast. Again - JMO.

We never at anytime stated that we believed AMHA members should vote on every single item. Those are your words, and you are wrong. Back up your statement with a post from us that says that.
I was referring to posts made here about that ... not just singling you out. You know - part of the general discussion.

We don't want any one to thank us for anything, we just ask those members in favor of enforcing rules and a full membersip vote to help us get the proposals passed the correct way.
Which is fine and laudable - but then the little asides some of you continue to make lamenting how so few seem to care as much as you do, do not look "professional". Again - just for want of a better word. That may not be the right one. JMO.

By the way, we at C.A.R.E. have listed our names publicly since March 2008, and again on this thread. We don't hide behind screen names. Why don't you come forward and list your real name. Do you own Miniature Horses registered with AMHA, and are you an AMHA member?
Why on the attack again?

Wow.

Yes, I am an AMHA member.

At the moment I do not personally own a mini. No need to - I work for up to 30 of them at a time. 24/7. AMHA & AMHR. I do own 2 Icelandic horses. I suspect that does not count..
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I may have a differing opinion on a few things - and my own observations... and suddenly that is suspect? It is not "allowed"?
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I am not "hiding" anything and never have - and I strongly resent that implication.

Unbelievable.
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Many here know who I am and where I work - it is not a secret. And I have repeatedly talked about the horses in the past.

This is the Internet.

And sadly, on this very forum I have learned that it is not always wise to share personal info - especially as I do not own the farm I work on. My opinions and thoughts are my own - and not necessarily that of the farm. Some members here cannot make that distinction. When a forum member (now banned) rudely contacted the farm in the past - I immediately took all the references to the farm out of my post and profile. No more avatars of the horses. No more siggies. Never again. And then again in recent months another situation similar to that developed - and I was glad that I did not have any of that info displayed. So yes - I use a screen name as many others here do. Are they suspect as well? Who knew that was wrong.
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By the way - this is the ONLY forum I am on - or have ever been on - that sees that as suspicious and worthy of pointing fingers at... it is the norm on most forums. I cannot think of anyone who uses their real name - or displays any personal info - on a very large music forum I am on. Not one person. And yet no one is "hiding" anything.

Just a suggestion - when someone posts under that C.A.R.E. screen name - could you please let us know who is speaking for all of you?

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Thank you members of C.A.R.E for taking your time to monitor the registry andto see that the rules and regulations are followed as they are written. You are doing

what I am too lazy or too busy to do. I am one of those that would just complain about

it later.

I must admit I feel the same way. I am glad someone is taking the time to ensure rules are followed for all.

Does AMHR need something simular perhaps but that is for another thread.
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tagalong,

CARE has no secrets. If you will read the bottom of our post you will see all our names listed there. And it really sounds like you need to take a break from this thread.
 
tagalong,

You can only see a condescending tone in others, but you miss it in yourself. You think any questions directed to you are an attack, so we shall end this discussion quickly.

C.A.R.E. members were asked to give our names in this thread, we did and did not consider it an attack, as you do. You even feel you are attacked when asked if you own AMHA horses and if are you a member of AMHA. You said, "At the moment I do not personally own a mini. No need to-I work for up to 30 of them at a time 24/7."

You must be either a youth or an associate member without voting rights, because sorry, the bylaws Article V, Section 2, (A) and (B), states Regular and Lifetime Members are those persons who own an undivided or community property interest in and have registered with the Association one or more American Miniature Horses, who have been applied for and been accepted to membership in the Association, etc.

As for your suggestion, when a post comes from C.A.R.E., as we have said previously, it is a combined writing of all members listed in our post. If and when members of C.A.R.E. post their own personal opinions they will do so using their own login names.

We are now through with responding to you on this matter, thanks for reading.
 

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