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Sandee

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We had a bit of excitement yesterday. I was driving our stallion in the pasture. Our gelding and filly were grazing right where I had an obstacle course laid out. My hubby decided to be helpful and chase them away.
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You guessed it. The stallion freaked and started running away with the others. He had such a dislike of all the bits when we started that I use a Mylar mullen mouth on him. It was only a suggestion for him to stop. At first thoughts of bailing occured to me then I realized that as long as we didn't tip we were in a fenced in area so I just worked on stopping him safely. We nearly lapped a 2 acre pasture at a dead run. He normally doesn't have enough energy to trot that far. Fortunately it was the bigger cart with 26" wheels and difficult to tip over.

Funny the things you think of: I wasn't so much scared as I was worried that me or the horse would get hurt and we have a show coming up this weekend. LOL!

I know for riding there's a "one rein" stop but in a cart I can see that becoming a tipover disaster. I could use suggestions about how to stop him if this should ever happen again.
 
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Just like riding you need to turn them in a circle but large enough so he does not tip the buggy, you would be amazed how they can turn on a dime in those carts...

I would suggest take him back out to pasture and walk and whoa and walk and whoa, and even make him stand out there for awhile as you have someone walk around him and try some despooking.

Maybe a little more ground work, hope others have some suggestions for you.
 
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I have never been run off with, either on a horse or in the cart, but it is something that really scares me -- especially in a cart vs. on a horse. I think I could stop one I was on better than one I was behind.

What I would try if it happened to me, since turning a tight circle will likely ditch me out of the cart, is to pull and release the reins. A steady pull will actually make a horse run harder to try and evade the presure but a steady pull, release, pull, release on the lines may get the attention and get the horse to stop.
 
I'm not a driver so take my advice with a grain of salt.

Growing up we had a revolving door of horses that we rode for resale and a lot of them had kinks and runaways were not uncommon.

There were three kinds of runaways.

1. Just needed to be exposed to more "things" (the first time they saw the camels was always good for a bolt or a buck.
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2. However it originally started they had figured out that running away would get the rider scared and riding would be over for the day. Here once they run away were not allowed to stop. We made their little prank turn into lots of work.

3. A very few select horses had such a "flight" response that overpowered everything else in certain situations. I had a mini gelding like that. He would have made such a dynamic roadster horse but he was simply unsafe to take in the ring.

All and all it just seems like yours falls under the number 1 category. This category is relatively easy to fix. We would always make sure the basics were well covered, meaning in a spook free environment, they horse would stop and turn willingly. Once we were sure the basics were covered we added more and more stimuli. We drug tarps, sacks with cans in them, did water crossing and so on.

Bits were never my thing. I worked the horse in what ever bit they gave me. I've gotten better over the year with knowing what bit to use but someone else would be better to say whether or not you need another bit.

**The one other thing is your first response when it happes is to pull back with all your might. Pulling back with the same amount of pressure is not as effective pulling with a see-saw motion.**
 
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Thanksfor the replies. Believe it or not the squeeze and release came to me as I realized that his jaw was wide open -even though he had a caveson on- and I was getting little to no response to the bit! I realized after I then turned him that turning too tightly could be a real problem -- that was when I laid over in the seat to keep the balance low and even on the cart.

It must have been a sight - wish it were on camera so we could get a good laugh when we need one.
 
The quickest way to stop a runaway is to turn them into a fence. Yes, not the safest out come for the horse or cart, but if you are truely behind a runaway sometimes the only way to stop them. I personally like a nice woven field fence. If it's pulled tight enough they usually bounce off and it's enough of a shock for you to jump out and grab their head (lived to tell about it
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Good grief, not something that is ever fun experiencing. I will tell you, that you can pull them in a circle if they WANT to be pulled in a circle, to eventually stop. If you have a horse, a Mini or a riding horse, that is dead set on running off, I dont care how big you are, you are not going to stop it and I have had nasty spoiled horses (riding ones) that I was working for people actually run off, and while you are pulling their head around- or trying to, they will let you pull their head right up to your knee, and will not slow down one iota, regardless of the fact that they cannot see where they are going at all!! They are still charging blindly forward while their head is in your 'lap'!! Now that's a real adrenelin rush. I decided a few years ago that I am just too old for that crap anymore!
 
Not only that but don't you love the ones that "lock" their neck. That's why my daughter's gelding WILL NOT be driven. I don't care how big you are [and I have plenty of muscle] you can't win.
 
Oh yeah, LOL!! At least they look where they are going, LOL

I had one that I was working for someone that was so SOUR, that she would refuse to go forward. She would make it about two houses away, if that, and then was probably going to put it in reverse and head back to the barn that way. NO amount of urging, with anything, was going to move her in the direction she did not want to go.

In the midst of a battle one day, (and I even tried turning her so she would back away from the house then if she was so set on backing up- that didnt work either) she stomped over rocks, bushes, the birm in the road into the neighbors yard, under a thorny mesquite tree and then when I turned around in the saddle to see where we were going next, she was heading straight for a HUGE saguaro cactus! It was probably 12 feet tall or so and they have thorns about an inch long. I told the folks standing there watching get the heck out of the way, because when she hit that, she was going to go SOMEwhere, and it may be over the top of them, so made them move.

Well, all of our mouths fell open when she not only backed into it and didnt budge but ground her rear end into it, thinking she was maybe grinding my legs into it. She never flinched. This mare had already run off with their novice girl across a busy street once. I told them that if the horse didnt care about hurting itself, it sure isn't going to care about hurting a person either and get rid of it. It was sold by the next week.
 
I have also had all too many of these expreiences. Hang in there. I have a question to put out there though. What would you do if a horse was perfect but the minute you stopped him or her they would get restless and litterally rear up and flip in the cart. the weekend before that I was untacking him and he freaked I mean freaked he bucked etleast 8 times and was doing a horse type of scream. Which a horse doesnt usually do in a nomral cart freak out I mean he would not stop bucking it was terrifying.. he also broke the harness
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: I want him to drive so badly both of these were after his classes where he had been perfect. He is awesome at home. I want him to drive nicely so badly its actually heart breaking that he pulls these after such a great round. :no:
 
I have also had all too many of these expreiences. Hang in there. I have a question to put out there though. What would you do if a horse was perfect but the minute you stopped him or her they would get restless and litterally rear up and flip in the cart. the weekend before that I was untacking him and he freaked I mean freaked he bucked etleast 8 times and was doing a horse type of scream. Which a horse doesnt usually do in a nomral cart freak out I mean he would not stop bucking it was terrifying.. he also broke the harness
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: I want him to drive so badly both of these were after his classes where he had been perfect. He is awesome at home. I want him to drive nicely so badly its actually heart breaking that he pulls these after such a great round. :no:
Mini Luver

Afraid I'm the worst person to give you advice but have you looked to see what, if anything, might be the cause of such a ruckus? I thought my guy was being stubborn and lazy until I started playing around changing bits. He actually picked up a high port and carried it. I'm not using it because it's too big for him. If I could find bit guards for a mini bit, I'd go back to it. He hated the broken snaffle and when he got relief from the tongue pressure he started behaving better. That's why we're using the mullen now (oh, and he needs a 3 1/4" bit - harder to find).

Then I started to notice that when he sullied up there was usually some piece of equipment not adjusted right. If there's something too tight or too loose or a buckle hanging up the reins or something -- he stops dead in his tracks and refuses to move. I used to dread trying to work him. Now I just look to see what's wrong and then he's happy and so am I.
 
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I feel alot better knowing its not just me who has had these problems! At least you can laugh about it, I'm the biggest scaredy cat but I am trying to learn to get over that! :eek:
 
For the one that gets upset when asked to stop, I would have to try to analyze why he is getting fussy just standing. Is he mad and wants to go home? Has he just not learned 'whoa' very well yet? Is something bothering him? Are the reins relaxed at the 'whoa'?

All I can say is, move him forward at a good clip. I personally would spend some time going over 'whoa' and standing for just a minute or so- not very long, and slowly ask for longer time. If he fusses a lot though, work him for a few minutes pretty hard. He may need to get worn down or know that if he does not stand quietly, he has to work hard. He may look forward to the break after he figures out that not standing is not fun.

If he is standing and he rears up, dont pull the reins! Ask him to move out and work him at a hard trot for a bit. Then ask for a nice whoa again. After a while, and it wont happen in one day, he is going to figure out that those breaks are nice and it's easier if you dont act up!

I have never had one rear or blow up in the cart, so without knowing what is going on with him, it's hard to tell why he is doing it. It sounds like if he's doing this as soon as you tell him to stop, he is not comfortable with something. I would go back to ground driving him with no cart, and work on whoa and stand there quietly. Then progress from there.
 
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There were three kinds of runaways.
1. Just needed to be exposed to more "things" (the first time they saw the camels was always good for a bolt or a buck.
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2. However it originally started they had figured out that running away would get the rider scared and riding would be over for the day. Here once they run away were not allowed to stop. We made their little prank turn into lots of work.

3. A very few select horses had such a "flight" response that overpowered everything else in certain situations. I had a mini gelding like that. He would have made such a dynamic roadster horse but he was simply unsafe to take in the ring.
Good explanation! I agree, there's mostly A) the inexperienced horse who bolts because he is nervous, B) the horse who bolts because he's learned it will get him something he wants, and C) the horse whose first response to anything is to mindlessly panic and bolt. The last category should never be driven, the first can be resolved with more training and a handler they trust, and the remaining category needs to learn that it is more work to bolt than to behave.

Most horses will bolt at least once in their lifetime, it's just something they try in the normal course of things when something scares them. Don't panic and choke up on the horse, it usually won't stop them and all it does is reinforce their feeling that they need to escape. Let them go for a stride or two if possible with an elastic giving rein (firm pressure, but not trying to wrench their heads down) before you start seriously asking them to slow. Think of following a startled riding horse through that first leap with your seat. Heels down, bend forward at the waist to stay with them, soft hands...You'd be surprised how often just those few strides of going with them helps to defuse the situation.
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: Say "easy, so-and-so, easy" in a low, relaxed tone of voice-- somehow it's not soothing if you are screaming it!
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If you can get control of the steering that is the first and most important step. Use soft give and take on alternating sides to get them to swerve a little in each direction, then try and broaden it into a serpentine or a large turn if you've run out of space. Eventually you want them coming down into a circle, which you can then turn into a figure 8 and more complicated figures until the horse's mind clicks back in and they start listening. Usually they will break to a trot at that point and you have regained control. If this is the second or third time the horse has done it I will be firmer with them and keep them trotting in figures until they are tired enough to want to stop on their own, at which point I will let them stand and think about it. If it is the first time I'm more concerned with letting the horse trot out the last of the panic then stopping to soothe him and check him for injury. A determined bolter (third or fourth time) who is beginning to figure out this might be a way to get something will find that I don't let them stop. At all. I will make a horse like that keep running long past when he wants to and past when it is fun any longer, then we will do some discipline drills until he is about ready to listen contritely. The point is not to exhaust the horse but to make it clear that you aren't going to put up with that and the lesson will only end when the horse has done things your way.

Always take into consideration why the horse is running. If he has been stung by a bee or something he isn't going to stop until he calms down. Steer him away from obstacles and people and let him run it out. Don't punish him in any way and put him away once he has stopped with much reassurance. Ground-drive him the next day for a short period to see how he does. If the horse runs because he is truly willful (he regularly gets the bit in his teeth and wants to gallop from excitement) or is young and full of high spirits, decide if this is something you can honestly handle. If it is, be ready to put on a brave face and learn to drive through it as described above. If it isn't, put him in the hands of a trainer you trust or sell him to someone with more experience who can work with the horse. If the horse is running because his buddies have started to run in the next pasture, get control back and work him until he's paying full attention to you again. Pause to let him think about it, do a little more relaxed work with praise then quit for the day. ALWAYS consider both the cause of the bolt and the personality and history of the horse in figuring out what tricks to use to stop them. It's good to have more than one tool in your toolbox! Give and take, steady elastic pressure, left-rein-right-rein-left-rein, "easy boy," give and take, steer smoothly left right left, big corner, left right left, big corner, big circle, big circle the other way, smaller circle, figure 8, trotting now...ask for head to come in and down, get the horse bending, change direction, back to normal work. You get the picture! :bgrin

I have been there, done this. Believe me. I have also had one of those Category 3 horses, an Arab who had had a previous driving accident we didn't know about that sent him into panicked flashbacks, and let me tell you the wise man or woman does not mess with that. Love them, find them another career, but do not try to drive them. It took me a long time to find the courage to drive through a runaway after that experience but Kody and I worked through it together and it has made me a much better driver.

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I have also had all too many of these expreiences. Hang in there. I have a question to put out there though. What would you do if a horse was perfect but the minute you stopped him or her they would get restless and litterally rear up and flip in the cart. the weekend before that I was untacking him and he freaked I mean freaked he bucked etleast 8 times and was doing a horse type of scream. Which a horse doesnt usually do in a nomral cart freak out I mean he would not stop bucking it was terrifying.. he also broke the harness
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That is a heartbreaking situation indeed, Devon. I've been there and I'm sorry you're going through this. Let me tell you what I've learned and what others here have said: Wee Man is not doing this to be naughty, to hurt you, or because he's stupid. Horses always have reasons for what they do. Sometimes it's pain or something wrong with their harness, sometimes it's a horsy reason like their buddy is out of sight or they don't want to work because they're in season or hungry (perfectly legitimate reasons if you're a horse!), and sometimes it's something much more complex that it is almost impossible to tell us without words. Think of charades and how difficult it is to express what you're thinking of when you can't talk. Then imagine that one third of your audience doesn't even realize they're playing a game, another third claims they're participating but aren't paying attention, and the final third says you're just being stupid and if your partner would only be firm with you you'd stop those antics. :no: Oh, and your life, health, and happiness depend on you expressing the fact that ________.
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: :eek: Difficult when you've only got two swivelling ears, four hooves, and a tail! :new_shocked: The horse is always trying to tell us something. Our job is to figure out what, not to arbitrarily silence him or punish him for speaking. (Of course sometimes he's just plain back-talking, but hey.)

Without hearing more about what was going on and exactly what Wee Man did I can't tell you why he's doing it, only that there IS a reason and we need to figure out what it is so we can address it. Stay safe until we do! I know it's upsetting but we'll all help you figure it out. ::hug::

Leia
 
I have also had all too many of these expreiences. Hang in there. I have a question to put out there though. What would you do if a horse was perfect but the minute you stopped him or her they would get restless and litterally rear up and flip in the cart. the weekend before that I was untacking him and he freaked I mean freaked he bucked etleast 8 times and was doing a horse type of scream. Which a horse doesnt usually do in a nomral cart freak out I mean he would not stop bucking it was terrifying.. he also broke the harness
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: I want him to drive so badly both of these were after his classes where he had been perfect. He is awesome at home. I want him to drive nicely so badly its actually heart breaking that he pulls these after such a great round. :no:
I don't know exactly what happened the first time Devon because I wasn't right there although I was on site but from the sounds of it perhaps he was stung by an insect or something on the harness pinched him - whatever it was caused him pain and would have likely been a single incident that he would have gotten past. I do know exactly what happened the second time because I was there and saw the whole thing. You came out of the ring and stood for quite some time with tension on the lines while waiting for your next class. He was expecting something to happen - he was kept tense and ready for too long and so did something - exploded. When you ask a horse to whoa and stand quietly you have to give him some slack and allow him to relax - the loose rein is his reward for standing still. Weeman was getting more and more tense as you were not allowing him to relax as you kept a tight hold of his mouth - he was thinking "okay she asked me to stop and stand and I am but she hasnt' rewarded me and still wants something from me and I don't know what it is!!!" I think you were nervous that he might do something after the previous incident and you transferred that to him. You did the right thing by getting him up and going back in the ring and driving your next class quietly and well. It is over with - FORGET IT! If you learn to relax, Weeman will too.
 
Dont forget too, that horses pick up on tension instantly. You dont have to be sitting on one for them to pick it up right away and your tension transfers to them. Try to MAKE yourself relax and not pass that on, though it is easier said than done.
 
If you can get control of the steering that is the first and most important step. Use soft give and take on alternating sides to get them to swerve a little in each direction, then try and broaden it into a serpentine or a large turn if you've run out of space. Eventually you want them coming down into a circle, which you can then turn into a figure 8 and more complicated figures until the horse's mind clicks back in and they start listening. Usually they will break to a trot at that point and you have regained control.
This is what we were told to do, and it worked when my duaghter had one get a little spooked in an arena with a runaway horse coming up from behind. Alternately pulling left, release, right, release, until she could get his attention again. Make the horse think about you instead of being scared.
 
If I could find bit guards for a mini bit, I'd go back to it.
Sandee, there are such things. The ones I have are made of think neoprene with a small velcro strip to keep them closed where they slip over the bit. they worked very well with a stallion that I used to have, who also needed a smaller bit than what's easily available, or affordable.
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