THE BOOK OF DANIEL who saw it?

[KrisP]

Ok, the LAST thing I'm ever going to do is tell someone how to raise their children, I don't have children and trust me thats the safest thing for all concerned :bgrin Anyone that knows my husband and I know that we're nothing but big kids ourselves and would NOT be the best influence on them!

But, that said, this was a show that was on at 9 at NIGHT! I don't care how old your children are I personally DO think that parents should have control of the television at all times, it is their responsibility to raise their children and oversee all that they see/do in thier homes. Those of you that DO pay attention THANK YOU, I hope your children can enjoy the joy of childhood as long as possible, the world can be a nasty place today.

In fact it's funny, hubby and I were talking about everything they get away with on TV these days and are amazed, this stuff is WAY beyond what we grew up with in the 70's, heck our parents would have thrown the TV's out the window if todays programming were on then!

krisp

 

[runamuk]

OK I am a parent and this show was TAME folks...kids in school get busted for smoking/selling weed/meth etc.....I live in a small farming community full of churches and religion does not seem to matter......

My 10 yr old has to be monitored as he watches the NEWS want to expose your children to horrible stuff let them watch the news......he is a total news addict and I have to turn off the TV ....the only other tv show he likes is fear factor BARF :smileypuke: ...otherwise he just doesn't watch tv he prefers to read or play his drums or ride his bike or draw ...discuss world affairs and how he is starting another fundraiser to save some country that has problems.......right now he is into helping all the children in Iraq

: he is 10 folks......he worries more about people starving in foreign countries than he does about watching TV ......apparently he pays attention at school when they discuss world events.....of course then he wakes up having panic attacks because somewhere something bad is happening............yeah he knows about the real world ...I actually wish he was more interested in the makebelieve world of tv at times......

OH and I swear like a sailor it is one of my thing's probably because I got in huge trouble as a child for doing it :bgrin my kids aren't allowed to BUT instead we come up with other great made up swear words they can use :bgrin ...and my 10 year old also learned you cannot write jack A_S_S on the playground in chalk unless you like detention.....he even tried to play the donkey card

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If you don't like the show don't watch but as for me I liked it

Anyone know what happens when you get 4 episcopalians in a room.....a fifth...hahahaha ...a fifth......ok maybe only I find booze jokes funny

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[KrisP]

My 10 yr old has to be monitored as he watches the NEWS want to expose your children to horrible stuff let them watch the news

Anyone know what happens when you get 4 episcopalians in a room.....a fifth...hahahaha ...a fifth......ok maybe only I find booze jokes funny

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OMG I have to moniter MYSELF watching the news, at times it makes me almost physically ill also! :new_shocked:

And LOLOLOLOLOL a fifth, giggle, lololol :bgrin :lol:

Krisp

 

[zacharyfarms]

While I found the program mildly entertaining and probably offensive to a lot of people, I find most of the TV programs the same. However I do believe in censoring what your children do and who their friends are. But believe me I know that doing all you can do to raise them correctly once they begin to drive there is nothing you can do even when you set boundaries. (My children are 31&32 and I have a 18 month old grandson who we protect dearly) I do believe in protecting their innocence as long as you can. But my goodness, have you ever paid attention to Sponge Bob Square Pants?...I find that totally inappropriate and setting the stage for small children. They even have infant items with him. But thank goodness for those of us on here that are in America we do have the choice on what we watch and all our Constitutional Rights.

 

[Marion]

I didn't watch it but forgot it was one. I had heard that our station was not airing it anyway. I guess now I will have to watch it now just to see what all the hype is about. I did the same thing with the Harry Poter books.

 

[wishful]

I didnt see it but I can tell you now I would not like it. Jesus has done to much for me to make fun of him.

The issue folks is FREEDOM. Everyone in the U.S.A. has it except the CHRISTAINS and trying to get it off the air is a way of demanding our voices be heard. Freedom of speech--if they can slander ,we can speak out agaisnt what they are doing to something that is really important to us. Most people get really offended when you make fun of something that is important to them, why do you think christains should not be offended when someone pokes fun of Jesus, the center of the christain religion.

Anyone can do anything they want, whether it be marry a dolphin(did you see that on the news)

or brothers marrying each other. Christains are the only people that do not have religous freedom.

It is even getting to piont to where the media and government officals do want the Christmas tree callled that anymore because it starts with CHRIST. I am young at 34 and love little house on the prarie and Andy Griffth when the ten commandments ment something , when you dint have to worry about the nieghbor molesting your child or your wife being raped on her why to market or getting shot over a dollar or someone robbing you blind..ect. I agree with minimamma, where have the values gone.

my nephew once said"stop drop and roll won't help you in heck"

Life is about personnal choice but personnal choice effects the people around you not just yourself.

 

[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

Wow. Are ya'll that disconnected from or blind to what really goes on in your children's lives outside of your home (ie. in school or after school) or is it just me growing up in a "big city" that has me all mixed up? I remember well the kids around me cussing and talking about drugs, sex and alcohol as early as the fifth grade. I'm sure they talked about it even earlier than that but because I wasn't "cool" (too much of a loner and into animals) I either didn't have a clue what they were saying or wasn't in on their conversations. My high school had a preschool IN IT for the children of the KIDS there. My first job was working as teacher's aide for a kindergarten where the children would cuss out their teachers, throw chairs at eachother and imitate WWE wrestlers posturing in disgusting, sexual ways. Personally, I don't see many people who'd be able to shelter their children from that...

All I can say is I am glad my kids grew up where they did. They had friends with 2 moms or 2 dads and know gang members and x gang members , alcoholics and addicts (both practicing and recovering) There is stuff out there they are confronted with on a daily basis and no not on TV most kids deserve more credit then we give them never yet heard of a child or adult who turned gay cause they saw it on tv

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I always find it ironic that as a society we can get very up in arms over things like this show , or other things where people feel someone elses choices are taking away there freedoms (Sometimes it is sometimes it isnt) however... why cant we as a society get up in arms over the things that do i mean truly do and have been proven to affect our kids. do you all have any idea of the statistics of children that WILL be abused before they are 18. boys and girls alike? How many women are beaten on a daily basis - yep that affects both our boys and girls, how many petifiles live by your kids schools, how many of your neighbors, coaches, church goers and youth group leaders of all denonimations are petifiles,

Heck kids are now getting stolen out of there own beds in there own houses and it is becoming common- yet we as a whole society dont stand up and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and put all our differences aside and truly help our children stay safe - can you imagine the power we would all have if we put religious and political differences aside and truly fought a REAL enemy to our kids one that is out there and children (and yes even sadly i would say some belonging to very concerned and watchful parents out there and statistics say parents on this fourm) have to watch out for as it will affect them or one of there friends period no ifs ands or buts about it

that would truly be protecting our future.

I am not saying dont do what you feel is right that is your right as a parent I am saying though sometimes there are much bigger fish to fry and the bigger stuff gets left to the wayside

 

[Horse Hugs]

Where have all the morals and values gone? Have you read Shakespeare? or any of the classic romantic novels or studied Early Roman civilization :bgrin People keep saying that things are so bad today but its not really all that different than any other time in history- just more open and played out in the media like crazy.

Everyone on here is right so far about raising children. It's a personal choice. Expose them, protect them, there is no right way to bring them up - just your way. As long as you love them and are there for them- that's what is important.

When my kids were young I tried to protect them from all the garbage out there but it kept sneaking in. We learned to deal with it together. Now that they are older I sometimes worry that I didn't prepare them enough for the real world. They both tell me I was the strictest parent in Southern CA and I just keep telling them I loved them more than the other parents loved their kids. Its hard for them to argue with that.

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As far as homeschooling goes, I never wanted to be the only teacher in my kids life. It would have never worked for us. I wanted my kids to learn more than I know and go farther than I have been. So, they grew up exposed to all that is out there and they are pretty good kids.

I think the main thing is what they observe at home.We have to parctice what we preach. My husband and I are honest and caring people and we never swear or talk about people behind their backs. That is what we expect from them. Most kids come back to their roots and so if you set a good example at home and are true to your values, most likely your kids will respect that, regardless of what they encounter in the real world.

 

[Triggy&Blue&Daisy Too]

I am not saying dont do what you feel is right that is your right as a parent I am saying though sometimes there are much bigger fish to fry and the bigger stuff gets left to the wayside

Well have to disagree with you on this Lisa. I think if parents tended to those "little fish" isssues when kids were small we probably would't be producing as many screwed up adults as we have to protect our kids and grandkids from now.

I never raised my kids to just roll over and accept things that they instinctually knew in their own moral character was wrong so no, thank God they didn't have to be exposed to gang members, porn, violence or murder in order to become educated in the ways of the world. No kid should have to be. Innocence is brief enough without parents adding to it for "educational" purposes.

Just can't fix the quote thing for some reason

 

[Kim Rule]

I personally LOVED the show!! It was actually a show where my husband, my son and I could sit all together, and LAUGH!!! I figure that the show won't be on long because of all the people who "find it offensive" and who feel they must campaign to get it off the air...are they trying to set TV to their own moral code? I thought the "off" button was for that! The same thing has happened with other controversial shows...but then soaps haven't left yet...all the people yelling about a show like this still have to watch their soaps...or Desparate Housewives where everyone is sleeping with everyone else.

So, in my home, please, leave MY TV alone. I enjoyed the show. Jesus as the straight man in a comedy actually makes sense to me. People who have flaws such as these characters have are actually closer to the norm than what others acknowledge. And didn't Jesus say something about hanging out with the people who have flaws rather than the ones that have living right?

I am hoping that when the show goes off the air(and I know it will) they make a DVD with all the episodes. I liked it that much!

Kim R.

 

[minimama]

Since homeschooling has also now been mentioned I have to say this. I home school my two teenage daughters. They have gone all the way through school until high school in public school. Things have happened we have talked about it and they know about life as it is in public school. They chose on their own to get away from all the crud that goes on and asked me to please home school them so they could focus on leanring and not on avoiding the drugs and gangs and other things that go on there. I also happen to have a son in public school still. A school, where all the teachers, principal, and staff know me. Where I can be found everyday. Where the children all know me. Where I have the home phone number and address of the teachers and principal. I am there, I work in the classrooms, I work in the office when it is needed, I supervise the playground. I am there not only for my own son, but for all those kids whose parents are not there. And there are more than I even care to mention. Parents who shrug their shoulders at what goes on in schools. Parents who are not there when the TV is on. Parents who have had Child Protective services called because they do not arrange to have someone pick up their kids after school.

 

[wpsellwood]

I thought it was funny. What I dont understand is people trying to get it band off of tv. Change the channel thats what I do when I find something that is offensive or boring and its really easy now you dont even have to get off the couch

 

[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

I am not saying dont do what you feel is right that is your right as a parent I am saying though sometimes there are much bigger fish to fry and the bigger stuff gets left to the wayside

Well have to disagree with you on this Lisa. I think if parents tended to those "little fish" isssues when kids were small we probably would't be producing as many screwed up adults as we have to protect our kids and grandkids from now.

I never raised my kids to just roll over and accept things that they instinctually knew in their own moral character was wrong so no, thank God they didn't have to be exposed to gang members, porn, violence or murder in order to become educated in the ways of the world. No kid should have to be. Innocence is brief enough without parents adding to it for "educational" purposes.

Just can't fix the quote thing for some reason

Ok well first that isnt my quote but secondly... I never said nor did i expose my children to porn and murder however... they happen to have family memebers on my husband's side who are gang members we lived in SO Cal. an area filled with gang members who happen to use younger children to commit there crimes and recurite them young.I could have pretended they didnt exisit or could educate my kids to the reality of these things IMO for there survival i opted to not pretend they dont exisit and used them as well as x gang members to help my cause.

We have had close family friends murdered so should i have not exposed them pretended all was ok? Some that may have been the choice me, I opted to be perfectly honest with them again.. a great way to open conversation of course the conversations were different with each child due to age.

LIfe happens and children are exposed to things my choice as a parent is to admit it happens and use those things to keep open lines of communication - not to make a sheltered world where it doesnt exisit.

My daughter went to school with gang members , passed them on the street as well as drug dealers - we have been thru the LA Riots with tanks in the streets and there friends being killed by drunk drivers, drive bys ect.. They have witnessed the reality of life and taken it in as there age allows so I would not be doing my kids a favor by sweeping that under the rug and telling them only of the good things in life. JMO

** and as a side note* I do discuss porn with my daughter(the oldest) and sex very openly with my youngest as well. They know it exists, know that there are women who dance for a living and that there are men who prey on kids and ask for pictures and know every aspect of what a sex offender or petifile can do and how that differs from the boy looking at a magazine under his bed. again for me that is part of there education and part of keeping them safe some may opt to never have that conversation wtih there kids some have a age that works for them

my house, my kids i make the choices but I have 2 well rounded, accepting, tolerent children both with great grades, do well in school, havent been in trouble and all the adults in there life (teachers, coaches ect) all have nothing but good to say about there work ethics, there tolerence and compassion- ok they dont live with them so dont see the umm typical girl side of them either lol

 

[Kim Rule]

I agree Lisa,

As a teacher, I've seen some really scary things. In the middle school I taught in for 3 years, we had gangs, and violence, sex and drugs. The students that came in some cases were ill prepared to deal with the right choices to be made. In some cases, the only choice was to join a gang. As a teacher, I could report abuses, be ever vigilant for gang signs, and other kinds of trouble. I could talk to my students in a non-judgemental fashion...which made me a better person to come to than a teacher that told them how awful they were, and they better make good choices or they'd be in jail. Some of my students knew of no other choice to make...everyone they knew were in gangs..even their parents. I had to educate them as to other options out in the big wide world, and they had to believe me. I still think about those students from time to time...and hope that what I did for them was enough...keeping children isolated from all of those influences will not protect them in the long run. Naivete is attractive only in 5 year olds. It is not a good survival skill for teenagers or adults.

My experience showed that how I had been parenting my son is right...I have openly talked to him about sex, drugs, violence, gangs, music...everything I could think of. He has grown up knowing that the world is not a perfect Ozzy and Harriet existence. He still listens to music I don't like...and I laugh at some of his fashion choices. I am afraid for him at times...he is not perfect, but then who is? I continue to press about his options, and that if he does get good grades, the world is his oyster. He's at an age where I no longer know anything, but I know there is a part deep down inside of him that hears me.

Kim R.

 

[Lisa-Ruff N Tuff Minis]

Ok while cleaning the barn I thought of something i had to say,

You know those of us here discussing our differences in parenting are all doing the best we can, we do what we think is right based on our own life experiences, and again our beliefs and morals. And just cause our morals differ doesnt mean the opposing side has none just that they are different.

And despite all of our best intentions and doing right by our kids the bottom line is some of our kids will make wrong choices, some of our kids might get arrested, some might smoke ciggerettes, some might become drug addicts or alcoholics, some might be invovled on either side in a abusive relationship or worse.

sad but true, all we can do is do the best we can , give them the tools we think they need, talk and love them and then really cross our fingers and hope for the best. Let them know we love them despite any bad decisions they may make even if we dont condone those decisions.

Sometimes these things happen even if the children have had loving attentive parents even though we make different parenting choices I think we can all agree that those here reading and discussing it are doing the best we can, love our kids and that for sure is one thing we can agree on

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[stormo41]

I thought it was funny. What I dont understand is people trying to get it band off of tv. Change the channel thats what I do when I find something that is offensive or boring and its really easy now you dont even have to get off the couch

i agree since when was this a converstion about parenting anway? i thought this was about the TV show.

your not a bad parent because you expose your kids to TV they want to watch. They will expose themselves to all the issues that were on this show one way or another, and it's better on the TV then them going out and doing it for real. you just have to make sure you tell them what is wrong and what is right.

 

[Kim Rule]

:aktion033: Here!Here!!! Well said Lisa!

Kim R

 

[runamuk]

Ok while cleaning the barn I thought of something i had to say,

You know those of us here discussing our differences in parenting are all doing the best we can, we do what we think is right based on our own life experiences, and again our beliefs and morals. And just cause our morals differ doesnt mean the opposing side has none just that they are different.

And despite all of our best intentions and doing right by our kids the bottom line is some of our kids will make wrong choices, some of our kids might get arrested, some might smoke ciggerettes, some might become drug addicts or alcoholics, some might be invovled on either side in a abusive relationship or worse.

sad but true, all we can do is do the best we can , give them the tools we think they need, talk and love them and then really cross our fingers and hope for the best. Let them know we love them despite any bad decisions they may make even if we dont condone those decisions.

Sometimes these things happen even if the children have had loving attentive parents even though we make different parenting choices I think we can all agree that those here reading and discussing it are doing the best we can, love our kids and that for sure is one thing we can agree on

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very well said even if totally off the topic :bgrin

 

[susanne]

Lisa is absolutely right.

I think we also need to remember that the world is not black and white, and neither are responses on this forum...few issues are "either/or."

I was not suggesting in any way that one should not protect their children, I was talking about overprotection.

Lisa, Horse Hugs, and Kim represent what I mean, though everyone has to choose what is right for them and for their individual children. What works well for one won't necessarily work for another, even within the same family.