The Journal & All-Star letters?

[ClickMini]

I think few, if any, of us here have all of the facts about the National entries. Don't be too quick to make a judgement one way or another.

 

[ruffian]

[quote name=' the only people that you can put blame on is the AMHR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR NOT DOING THEIR HOMEWORK. AND I WILL NOT SET BACK AND BE HUSH HUSH ABOUT IT

MISSY

No - the person to blame is the big name trainer who took horses to Nationals that were NOT qualified! THAT'S who needs to be blamed!!

Any extra time and expense should be charged to him. Any anger should be directed to him!!

 

[Minimor]

I bet they would not like it to much if we did not send in our dues on time. i just might try it and see what happens. i will tell them well i was in a car wreck too i dont think that they would care to much as lomg as their money is in on time..

How late are you thinking??? Quite honestly, my membership renewal was late this year...technically it was supposed to be in by Dec. 1st to be "on time" but I didn't get around to mailing it in on time....and finally called it in quite late in January. They very politely took down my name and membership number and my credit card number, thanked me and wished me a good day. They did not complain about how I was weeks late in paying; they didn't rant about how they were tired of having member after member wait until weeks after the due date to renew their memberships (even though I am quite sure I was not the only member that was late in renewing)...all in all I would have to say that my renewal was handled professionally, and I guess I'm glad that the AMHR staff is more tolerant than some here!

What's the point of getting mad because the Journal didn't come in December? Personally I'll enjoy reading it just as much this month as I would have in December.

 

[Sandee]

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What's the point of getting mad because the Journal didn't come in December? Personally I'll enjoy reading it just as much this month as I would have in December.

I doubt that many of us are Mad, more like crazed by the winter months! I know if it weren't for this forum I'd be climbing the walls here. I really need a "horse fix" and it's not going to happen here in subzero temps with snow frozen all around.

 

[wildhorses]

Good Lord...It is just a Magazine...I think that people can survive without it for a few more days or weeks...It will come when it comes...I think there are bigger problems in life to worry about than a silly magazine being late...

To us in AMHR it isn't just a silly magazine. It is our only source of news when it comes to AMHR, unfortuantly. This edition is rather important it contains everything that happened at Nationals and what happened at Convention. I am one that actually enjoys sitting down and read the information and not just look at the pretty pictures.

Yes there are bigger problems in life, everyone has problems. This Journal would have been on time if it weren't for the happenings that when on at Nationals which most of us still don't know what happened and I hope they will say something about it in the Journal and not hide from it.

I am just as much a member of AMHR as you are JMS...I've been a PROUD member for nearly 14 years now. Nobody said it was a silly magazine. I've got better things to do than worry about this. I will enjoy it when it comes whether it's tomorrow or July.

 

[JMS Miniatures]

Good Lord...It is just a Magazine...I think that people can survive without it for a few more days or weeks...It will come when it comes...I think there are bigger problems in life to worry about than a silly magazine being late...

To us in AMHR it isn't just a silly magazine. It is our only source of news when it comes to AMHR, unfortuantly. This edition is rather important it contains everything that happened at Nationals and what happened at Convention. I am one that actually enjoys sitting down and read the information and not just look at the pretty pictures.

Yes there are bigger problems in life, everyone has problems. This Journal would have been on time if it weren't for the happenings that when on at Nationals which most of us still don't know what happened and I hope they will say something about it in the Journal and not hide from it.

I am just as much a member of AMHR as you are JMS...I've been a PROUD member for nearly 14 years now. Nobody said it was a silly magazine. I've got better things to do than worry about this. I will enjoy it when it comes whether it's tomorrow or July.

Hope you don't mind if I quote you.

I do hope AMHR will say what all went down in the Journal. Yes it was this "trainer" at fault, but it is also the fault of AMHR not to notice it much sooner. Just like Amy said we should all just wait to say until we know the facts.

 

[Fred]

Thought this thread was about All Star letters and I have to say it was VERY TACKY the way it was done this year. Just a letter wanting you to advertise in the Journal not even what you have won. Not everyone has a computer and the AMHR website is not always the most reliable to get information from. I remember one year it was several months before it was updated. Not only that the past several times I have tried to find out all stars for my area only one horse and owner comes up. What is that? Linda

 

[wpsellwood]

Thought this thread was about All Star letters and I have to say it was VERY TACKY the way it was done this year. Just a letter wanting you to advertise in the Journal not even what you have won. Not everyone has a computer and the AMHR website is not always the most reliable to get information from. I remember one year it was several months before it was updated. Not only that the past several times I have tried to find out all stars for my area only one horse and owner comes up. What is that? Linda

I would have to agree, I liked the letters it was nice toput in my horses file. Alot of people that are new and make the all star wont even know where to go to see what they did or placed. I agree tacky.

 

[Minimor]

I remember one year it was several months before it was updated.

But that's not the case this year, is it?! I fail to see what that year has to do with this year's letters???
Actually I thought it was okay the way the letters were done this year. as I recall, the letters I've gotten in the past for the Canadian All Stars were nothing too special...a list of horses in my division and my horse's name highlighted. Big deal. The website gives the whole list of placings for all divisions, and it's pretty easy to print it off, either the entire list or specific classes only. And I would say that most people that don't have a computer do know someone with a computer, and again, it's very easy to ask a friend to look up the results & print them off.

 

[allaboutminis]

Ruffian

Let me see if I understand you right. What you are saying is that this big name trainer took horses that was not qualified. Right......... Well if it it the same person I think who you are talking about. you said that he or she should be charged to him... i will tell you this it was servel big time trainers just not one... and some of the other big time trainers got by with it......... and i keep woundering why some many of you are quick to JUDGE people that are doing good for theirself or their family. how many shows do you go to a year and how many do they go to...... are you one of those big time trainers? so the extra time and expense should be charged to all of them not just one person.......... if this was you would you like it if everyone on this forum air your bussiness......... like i said i will not sit back and keep HUSH HUSH about this. we as members have the right to have the Journal on time and for it not to be late all the time............... we also have to right to say what we want to say they (amhr) might not like it to much but i dont care who does and dont. I HOPE THAT YOU ALL THAT HAVE SAID NEG. STUFF AGAIST THIS BIG TIME TRAINER ENDS UP IN COURT WITH THE AMHR TOO. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS TRAINER IS GOING TO GO AFTER THE AMHR AND OTHERS. And this did came from a inside source. how much money will i put up i will tell you ever red cent that i have............................................................ so yes i will be

.................................... i would feel the same if it was you or anybody else for the matter just not for them........so when the AMHR messes up i think they need to send our money back. i bet you would not see this happen again. the point of the matter is that they mess up and did not do their homework. they should of check behinde their showmangers and the studbook online but did they no. so we can not put the balme on other people but the AMHR. so there you have it . and i will not responed anymore on this subject.

MISSY CARTER

 

[kaykay]

Amy has been nice enough to post many times why the Journal was late. I cant even imagine the headache this issue has been to put out with all the legal problems etc. We have a 2 page ad in it and Im okay with it being late as it could not be avoided.

Kay

 

[Leeana]

I do not think it is right to throw blame on the journal being late on ANYONE....the journal will get to you, that is all that matters...it is not like you will never receive this issue or the journal ever agian, it will get there and that is all that matters! This is starting to sound like when you are at walmart with a child in the toy section and they what that toy NOW NOW NOW!

Wouldn't you rather have the CORRECT journal, rather then a not correct journal??? I don't feel that the trainers involved are to blame, and yes i feel the office should have checked these things before nationals and taken it up with the trainers BEFORE nationals and at that time details could have been taken into account and if all else, the trainers would have had time to hit one more show....the funny thing is it is NOT hard to qualify for nationals and there really is no reason for one to have to cheat, i don't feel there was any cheating, i feel it was all just a misunderstanding. Anyway, back to what i was planning on posting....the journal will get to you i am sure, i am not worried about it as i know eventually it will be waiting for me in my mail box.

 

[allaboutminis]

sorry for some of the words that i used in my early post. but it is the way i feel . with that said. I really think that the people on here that is pointing fingers are pointing them at the wrong people. There is a enough people in the home office to do their homework to make sure this does not happen. I believe that we as members pay enough dues that this should not happen if it is the amhr or the amha. but look at the paper work that has been lost or they say they did not receive it. I am sorry that is why when i send anything in they have to sign for it. heck it has happen to me where they say they did not get my paper work in. and then i have to fax over what i have and show them where somebody in the office did sign for it. and bomb it appears. so who do i blame for this is the AMHR and nobody Else. who Else is there to blame but them. i have seen this happen to others as well. i think enough is enough when it comes to this. I really think that Mona or Mary Lou needs to lock this topic or remove this topic as lb can be held reasonable for this finger pointing at this BIG TIME TRAINER............ like i said early if it would be somebody else i would feel the same way. we should not be airing their bussiness. this is the way we all make a living one way or the other. but take in to mind that it was more the one BIG TIME TRAINER and the others got by with it. it is called poltics

Missy Carter

 

[JMS Miniatures]

Thought this thread was about All Star letters and I have to say it was VERY TACKY the way it was done this year. Just a letter wanting you to advertise in the Journal not even what you have won. Not everyone has a computer and the AMHR website is not always the most reliable to get information from. I remember one year it was several months before it was updated. Not only that the past several times I have tried to find out all stars for my area only one horse and owner comes up. What is that? Linda

Well that sure stinks. We pay to show, we have to spend money to show, but all AMHR asks is to spend more money to advertise, I don't thank so.

Honestly this whole post wasn't meant to start anything negative. I think everyone made it clear that we wan't answers AMHR and my gosh I better see something in this Journal.

Again I think everything has been said that needs to be said lets just let it go and we can start in again if we have to once we receive the Journal.

 

[Fred]

Actually the OWNER of the horse is responsible to make sure that the horse is QUALIFIED to attend nationals. There are enough shows out there and yeah I know the trainers have so many horses yada yada. Thats their job. The responsiblity of the horse being qualifed is the owners, if the trainer isn't forthright about it they can be fired. If the trainer showed the horse without making sure the horse was qualified that becomes their headache too. Its about responsiblity and I know when I do show to qualify I CHECK the show results to make sure my horses name is on it so it is qualified and if its not I DO contact the office and get it straightened out. Its so easy to qualify for nationals what I am hearing is pretty sad. As for the Journal it has been late many times in the past and no other large breed publication would stand for missing deadlines. Linda

 

[ahrobertspony]

Thank you for all the interest in these topics. I appreciate the opportunity to set the record straight....

All Stars are a program of the ASPC/AMHR. The national office mailed out letters in January to let individuals know that results could be downloaded online. The letter did include information about the advertising deadline and contact info as a courtesy for those who want to advertise. Advertising is certainly not mandatory. However, including the info seems to benefit some judging from the calls we got. Also, if you got the letter and do NOT have access to a computer (of course, you couldn't be reading this advice then), you might call the office to ask what other options are available. Also, if you want the "letter" for your records, memories, etc., I would say to go online to print out the lists and put them w/ the letter you got. If you highlight your horse's name, the effect would be very similar to the letters and info gone out for years ... a letter w/ some photocopied sheets attached.

Regarding the Dec/Jan book ...

The Dec '08/Jan '09 issue of The Journal was delayed due to legal matters relating to the results from the 2008 AMHR National Show. These decisions were out of the control of magazine staff. Several sections, ads, and designed pages had to be redone several times as a result of the handling of these matters. Approximately 80 pages were done a total of FOUR times. To give you equivalent math ... I did the basic work of 3 full books in the time and a half we usually alot for one book.

The delays caused the issue to miss our original and then rescheduled press dates.... although our loyal printing facility worked deligently to slip us in despite being heavily booked.

I would like to thank the wonderful advertisers who have been most impacted by this delay. Your patience, understanding and positive feedback .... as magazine staff has done everything we can to deal with this less-than-ideal situation put upon us ... have been truly remarkable. It is your generosity, spirit and support that make the unusual level of sacrifices required to finish that issue worth it. Thank you as well to the kind readers & members who have understood the matter and helped to clarify the facts. As always, I appreciate your support. You are truly a good group of folks.

An FYI to those comparing to any other magazine's schedule...

The Journal is the "newsletter" of the ASPC/AMHR. Often, the magazine staff must wait for items to come from the association or to come in from a major event being featured in order to complete the work of an issue. As a result of this and because we are just as concerned about "missing" a schedule or disappointing our readers as our subscribers are themselves, a change to the entire production & mailing schedule was accepted by the ASPC/AMHR's national board more than 2 years ago ... at convention 2006. This change recognized the time it takes for the very limited staff to do the work and the realities of the production and printing work. That change was promoted in the magazine for nearly a year. Then, starting w/ the Oct/Nov '07 book, the "name" of each issue changed and issues began mailing at a later time in the two-month period. Since the new schedule took effect, some books have mailed "early" while most others have mailed on time or without any type of major delay .... EXCEPT for the Dec '08/Jan '09 book. (Of course, when an issue is finished and mailed in no way guarantees how any particular book moves through the mail ... especially the regular subscriptions that go via periodicals postage.)

Regarding any discussion of an accident...

Yes, I WAS in a serious auto accident on December 4. Despite behing hit from behind by a semi and being pushed into & under another semi on the interstate, I actually missed very little work ... and literally none when you consider that a work week can reasonably be considered to be 45-50 hours. My accident had nothing to do with the legal wranglings that began in mid-December or the gross errors and omissions I found in the results provided to Journal staff once I finished working them up and started closely proofing. I am confident that the participants in the 30 classes that simply weren't provided and the participants in the additioanal dozen or so classes with gross errors might appreciate the decision to get things right and to include them ... especially those who advertised those results.

I apologize for any inconvience. As someone who has read this publication for about 30 years, I understand how readers look forward to it. As someone who has advertised in the book for 20 or so years, I emphathize with the advertisers. It was for those reasons that I cancelled critical doctor's appointments, delayed starting therapy, skipped family holiday events, etc., and put in as much work as possible on first the Dec/Jan issue and now the Feb/Mar. book.

The February/March issue is in the works. Production of it started almost five weeks late because of the continuing work on Dec/Jan. However, with the help of some wonderful volunteers, I expect to mail only slightly beyond our normal date which for this issue would have been on 2/20.

Amy Roberts, Editor

 

[kaykay]

Amy I feel bad that you even have to keep defending yourself over this issue when you had nothing to do with the problems and delays. Its just not right. People in this thread are taking their frustration out on the wrong person.

To those that feel they should hire more staff....think about that. Because that would mean another jump in membership fees and then the yelling will really begin.

I know from working with Amy she replies to emails and phone calls weekends, evenings etc. She goes way above and beyond what most would do to get that magazine out

Please be sure and take care of yourself Amy. Magazines can wait

 

[allaboutminis]

This is all from Amy:

and i will answer to the way that i feel about this:

Regarding the Dec/Jan book ...

The Dec '08/Jan '09 issue of The Journal was delayed due to legal matters relating to the results from the 2008 AMHR National Show. These decisions were out of the control of magazine staff. Several sections, ads, and designed pages had to be redone several times as a result of the handling of these matters. Approximately 80 pages were done a total of FOUR times. To give you equivalent math ... I did the basic work of 3 full books in the time and a half we usually alot for one book.

1) You said Legal Matters right Amy? If the AMHR would of done their homework this would of not happen. I thought that is why the AMHR has the stud book on line for,and show mangers so did the AMHR waist OUR money on that. the Journal would of not been late if they would of check behind their show mangers. and why do some of the show mangers just send in their paper work when others has to do in online? why is it a set of rules for some and a different set of rules for others. can we call that politics or if you scratch my back i will scratch yours.

An FYI to those comparing to any other magazine's schedule...

The Journal is the "newsletter" of the ASPC/AMHR. Often, the magazine staff must wait for items to come from the association or to come in from a major event being featured in order to complete the work of an issue. As a result of this and because we are just as concerned about "missing" a schedule or disappointing our readers as our subscribers are themselves, a change to the entire production & mailing schedule was accepted by the ASPC/AMHR's national board more than 2 years ago ... at convention 2006. This change recognized the time it takes for the very limited staff to do the work and the realities of the production and printing work. That change was promoted in the magazine for nearly a year. Then, starting w/ the Oct/Nov '07 book, the "name" of each issue changed and issues began mailing at a later time in the two-month period. Since the new schedule took effect, some books have mailed "early" while most others have mailed on time or without any type of major delay .... EXCEPT for the Dec '08/Jan '09 book. (Of course, when an issue is finished and mailed in no way guarantees how any particular book moves through the mail ... especially the regular subscriptions that go via periodicals postage.)

2) and FYI to you Amy the journal is all ways

late.

Regarding any discussion of an accident...

Yes, I WAS in a serious auto accident on December 4. Despite behing hit from behind by a semi and being pushed into & under another semi on the interstate, I actually missed very little work ... and literally none when you consider that a work week can reasonably be considered to be 45-50 hours. My accident had nothing to do with the legal wranglings that began in mid-December or the gross errors and omissions I found in the results provided to Journal staff once I finished working them up and started closely proofing. I am confident that the participants in the 30 classes that simply weren't provided and the participants in the additioanal dozen or so classes with gross errors might appreciate the decision to get things right and to include them ... especially those who advertised those results.

I apologize for any inconvience. As someone who has read this publication for about 30 years, I understand how readers look forward to it. As someone who has advertised in the book for 20 or so years, I emphathize with the advertisers. It was for those reasons that I cancelled critical doctor's appointments, delayed starting therapy, skipped family holiday events, etc., and put in as much work as possible on first the Dec/Jan issue and now the Feb/Mar. book.

The February/March issue is in the works. Production of it started almost five weeks late because of the continuing work on Dec/Jan. However, with the help of some wonderful volunteers, I expect to mail only slightly beyond our normal date which for this issue would have been on 2/20.

When I called about the journal they did say some of the reason that it was late was due from the fact that you was in a wreck. so why would the AMHR say that Amy? can you please answer that. WE as members of the AMHR have the right to have the answers. But like you said from all the Legal Issue it had to be re-printed come on.

I dont want to down the AMHR but some stuff needs to change. just like they loose your paper work that is why you all have to sign for mine and more people needs to do that. and why is it fingers at bennning point at one person but not the others that done the same thing and got by with it. it is too many POLITICS in the AMHR it bet you want say the same thing. Because you work for them but when it comes down to get when we as members send in our dues we are the ones that pays you all that work their. so yes we have the right to know what is going on. and not this you need to contact your bod. Because they dont know what is going on either. but if you are BUDDY BUDDY with them then you do.

I WILL STAND UP FOR THE ONE PERSON THAT THE FINGERS ARE POINTED AT. BECAUSE WHEN THIS IS ALL DONE AND OVER WITH I WILL STAND BACK LAUGH AT YOU AND THE OTHERS THAT HAVE DONE THIS. AND THEN I WILL SAY WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. AND I DO HOPE OTHERS WILL DO THE SAME. THIS PERSON WILL GO OUT OF HIS TO HELP YOU AND WHEN IT COMES TO A YOUTH THEY ARE THERE FOR THEM. COACHING THEM ALL THEY WAY. DOES THE AMHR REALLY WANT TO LOSE THIS KIND OF PERSON. I SURE HOPE NOT. I HAVE SEEN THIS PERSON DO ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN TO HELP OUT A SHOW. BRING IN MORE HORSES THEN OTHERS. AND WRITE OUT A BIG FAT CHECK AT THE END OF A SHOW TO HELP OUT A CLUB OR THE AMHR.

SO YOU ALL THAT IS POINTING FINGERS BETTER STOP IT. I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU ALL WANT TO MAKE THIS "BIG NAME TRAINER" ANYMORE TICK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BECAUSE LIKE I SAID I WILL STAND BACK AND BE

AT ALL OF YOU AND SAYING I TOLD YOU SO

MISSY

TO THIS BIG NAMED TRAINER

 

[kaykay]

Missy

I get you are loyal to someone involved in this and thats great. I have never accused anyone of anything because I personally dont know what happened.

But to keep attacking Amy who is the editor of the magazine for all this other stuff that she has no control over is just not right. If you want to be mad at AMHR then be mad but stop putting it all on Amy. Amy was not in charge of tracking elgible horses or showbills and entries or anything else. Her job is to put out the Journal and to make sure its correct. End of story.

Also if you dont like how the BOD is run then maybe you should run for a seat and try to make a difference

Kay

 

[LaVern]

I was wondering, if anyones knows. Who first discovered the not qualified horses? Was it one of the people in office , or maybe our new computer guy that we pay 10 thousand plus a month to, or was it little Susiie Que doing a little homework at home.

As far as blaming Amy-how could we? She does what office tells her she has to and supposedly the office does what the Board tells them.

I feel the buck stops at the Board --all the Board not just a litttle circle of people that run the miniature part.

I think that there are members of the board that do not have a clue to some things that go down. My reasoning for that is that if you call them they say, "Oh, I was not aware of that".

Try it sometime, call five different board members and see if you get the same answer from any of them.