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I am so very, very sorry for the loss of Aurora's foal. I am very glad she was there with you, Lori.
Bob...I don't know what on earth you are thinking, but ANY respect for you or your feelings for these horses just went out the window! If your first thoughts and first words are to give this poor old "rescue" mare with heaves that has been to heck and back already a short break and then "try again".....man, you need your head examined!!! You bred this mare on purpose when she was already in bad condition and just stated your full intention on doing it again??? no.gif OMG!!!!! How about thinking of the horse FIRST?!?!?!?! I am just sick over this...not only is this attitude sickening and self-centered, but it is also a smack in the face to everyone who has tried to help you and Aurora--esp. Lori who has been dealing with the repercusions of YOUR actions....or inactions!!!
YOU NEED YOUR HEAD EXAMINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob did not breed Aurora on perpose Tonto jumped over the stall to get to her and he said that he had fixed the stall so it could not happen again. We all know that he will not breed her again untill she is perfect health. Bob always thinks of his horses first.
 
Of course he will...of course.... :no: A then 19 year old with heaves and a history of foaling dragging her down to the point she is in....perfect health indeed to be bred. *sigh*
 
This Bob bashing has gone on for weeks, and I think it time to stop! Most of us are adults... lets be respectful when giving opinions! Shall we all provide support and educated advice.

Many thanks,
 
I am so very, very sorry for the loss of Aurora's foal. I am very glad she was there with you, Lori.

Bob...I don't know what on earth you are thinking, but ANY respect for you or your feelings for these horses just went out the window! If your first thoughts and first words are to give this poor old "rescue" mare with heaves that has been to heck and back already a short break and then "try again".....man, you need your head examined!!! You bred this mare on purpose when she was already in bad condition and just stated your full intention on doing it again??? :no: OMG!!!!! How about thinking of the horse FIRST?!?!?!?! I am just sick over this...not only is this attitude sickening and self-centered, but it is also a smack in the face to everyone who has tried to help you and Aurora--esp. Lori who has been dealing with the repercusions of YOUR actions....or inactions!!!

I think you need your head examined.. :eek:

Hes not breeding her tomorrow! If shes 100% healthy ormal wieght in 2 years then why not. Just Leave him alone! He loves his horses and I've tried not to get mad but this is honestly ridiculous and I feel so bad for Bob.
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When will you people stop... You could of etleast said it nicer? if you felt you must express this..

Sorry to come off like this but i really am worried about bobs feelings and the way eh must feel because of the constant critisim here. I say we close the topic? Heading ina bad direction.
 
You're correct about one thing the topic should be closed and all related to this sorted affair be deleted every time it comes up. I'm thinking he said it just to get people upset all over again and that kind of nonsense shouldn't be tolerated. Sorry to see it turn into such a war on both sides every time but those who haven't said anything I'm sure are remaining silent because it's a lost cause.
 
Oh Bob and Lori... I'm So sorry to hear about this loss! It sounds like a beautiful foal... :no: I'm glad to hear that Aurora is doing well. What a shame :no:

FairytailGlennMinis Please don't even start. This is not the time or place.
 
Lori, you have been an incredible friend to Bob and of course to Aurora. You stepped in and offered your time and generosity and what you have done shows what a wonderful horse person you are, although most of us here knew that anyhow.

Bob, I love to research, so here is an article that I came across that might help you in your future endeavors.

Best Wishes

Before you breed

By Jennifer Kunz, AnimalForum.com staff

Most horse people have dreamed of adorable foals frolicking in their pasture at one time or another. Foals are exceptionally cute, and the idea of having home grown babies to ride is a wonderful thought for many of us. But there are many things to consider before breeding your mare, including her suitability to reproduce, her health and your ability to take on the tremendous responsibility of caring for the mother-to-be and then her newborn foal.

Mares have one of the lowest average conception/birth rates of any domestic species (around 60-70 percent). So it's quite possible that considerable time, effort and money will be needed to ensure your mare gets pregnant. Potential breeders should keep in mind that the financial commitment involves more than just paying a stud fee. There are considerable requirements in looking after a pregnant mare, and even more once the foal has been born. Vaccination schedules must be adhered to, feeding monitored carefully, fences checked for foal safeness, and shelter requirements met. These are just a few things to consider. Another important aspect is training and the possible costs associated with it if a breeder keeps the foal until it's of age.

A frank and honest evaluation of a mare's temperament and conformation should be one of the first things considered. Does she have traits that will be valuable or derogatory if passed on to her foal? Extremely high-strung or poorly conformed horses should not be bred. If the mare has a defect, such as parrot-mouth, or the genetically transmitted disorder HYPP, a breeder might want to consider finding a more suitable broodmare.

If a breeder has decided that a mare is temperamentally suitable for breeding, the next step is to determine her physical breeding health. A veterinarian can perform a breeding soundness exam, which consists of the recording of a thorough and detailed history, an overall physical examination and a detailed examination of the reproductive tract.

A complete history, or as close to one as possible, is essential to provide the veterinarian with the most accurate information to work from. When dealing with your vet, provide him with the mare's age, breeding history if any, previous athletic use and overall health status. Records of previous illnesses or injuries and medications are important (knowledge of steroid or other hormonal treatments is particularly useful). Determination of vaccination and worming status also is a good idea.

A general physical examination is performed to assess the mare's overall health and to identify any problems that might interfere with her ability to conceive, carry, give birth to and raise a healthy foal. Mares that are too fat or too thin might have difficulty conceiving and carrying a foal to term, so overall body condition is important. Severe cases of conditions such as laminitis or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (heaves) can prevent a mare from physically being able to meet the demands of late pregnancy.

The examination of the reproductive tract can include an assessment of perineal conformation and health; rectal palpation; ultrasound of the cervix, uterus and ovaries; a ******l examination; a uterine culture and cytology; and a uterine endometrial biopsy. Other diagnostics can also be performed if needed.

If the vet pronounces a mare generally reproductively healthy and able to conceive and carry the foal, the stallion must be selected, heat cycles and optimum breeding time determined, transportation of mare, stallion, or semen arranged, and all of the things that go along with the actual breeding looked after.

Ultimately, we're all aiming for a healthy foal with good conformation and a nice temperament. Taking the time to evaluate the mare properly and plan the breeding, pregnancy and birth carefully are the best way to achieve that healthy baby.
 
Oh Bob, I am so sorry. Everything happens for a reason you know. Give Aurora a hug for me!
 
Marty :aktion033: , you're my hero: I QUOTE:

A general physical examination is performed to assess the mare's overall health and to identify any problems that might interfere with her ability to conceive, carry, give birth to and raise a healthy foal. Mares that are too fat or too thin might have difficulty conceiving and carrying a foal to term, so overall body condition is important. Severe cases of conditions such as laminitis or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (heaves) :eek: can prevent a mare from physically being able to meet the demands of late pregnancy.
 
FAIRYTAILGLEN AND TRIGGYANDBLUE: BACK THE HECK OFF ALREADY!! We all know how much you despise Bob and what he does with his horses, so DON'T READ HIS POSTS!!

At least one of the other know-it-alls has not replied to this thread, and I'm happy to see that. I just wish you two would have stayed the heck out of it. ENOUGH ALREADY!!! LEAVE BOB ALONE!!!! NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS AND WE ARE SICK OF SEEING THEM.
 
I am so very, very sorry for the loss of Aurora's foal. I am very glad she was there with you, Lori.

Bob...I don't know what on earth you are thinking, but ANY respect for you or your feelings for these horses just went out the window! If your first thoughts and first words are to give this poor old "rescue" mare with heaves that has been to heck and back already a short break and then "try again".....man, you need your head examined!!! You bred this mare on purpose when she was already in bad condition and just stated your full intention on doing it again??? :no: OMG!!!!! How about thinking of the horse FIRST?!?!?!?! I am just sick over this...not only is this attitude sickening and self-centered, but it is also a smack in the face to everyone who has tried to help you and Aurora--esp. Lori who has been dealing with the repercusions of YOUR actions....or inactions!!!
Bob has been threw enough already. People like you, that don't know the facts, should be band from this forum.. There are way to many trouble makers as it is.. This was a update on the loss of a foal, and again someone had to be nasty to Bob again.. YOu should be ashamed of yourself.. This is the real world, with adults not high school petty games.. PEOPLE GROW UP ALREADY :nono: :eek:fftopic:
 
What is wrong with you people! GET A LIFE!

BETTER YET..............................MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!
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Marty has helped in a very NICE way! See not all that hard really!

Bob there are plenty of people on here that care for you, overlook the one's that don't!

Sunny Posted Today, 02:25 PM
FAIRYTAILGLEN AND TRIGGYANDBLUE: BACK THE HECK OFF ALREADY!! We all know how much you despise Bob and what he does with his horses, so DON'T READ HIS POSTS!!

At least one of the other know-it-alls has not replied to this thread, and I'm happy to see that. I just wish you two would have stayed the heck out of it. ENOUGH ALREADY!!! LEAVE BOB ALONE!!!! NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS AND WE ARE SICK OF SEEING THEM.
Give it time Sunny, probably asleep lol :bgrin !
 
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Last night just before 10 pm I took a peek at Aurora on the camera. I had been keeping an eye on her but as she wasn't due to foal till March 20th I wasn't keeping a really close eye on her just yet. I had been watching for signs of foaling but she didn't present any. When I looked at her last night she was down with a red bag coming out. I jumped into my boots and ran for the barn. By the time I got there the foal was completely delivered and still inside the bag. I ripped it off and picked him up by his heels and slapped his sides, stuck my finger down his throat and tried AR on him. There were no signs at all of life. He was a beautiful black and white pinto colt with high white stockings on the back, little white socks on the front, a big flash of white on either side of his barrel and a little star on his forehead.

I gave Aurora a couple cc's of Banamine and took care of the placenta and foal. She is doing fine and eating and pooping well. She has only a tiny bit of a bag that came up last night and doesn't seem at all uncomfortable. I think this is a case of God knows best but I am still very sad that I couldn't bring you better news.
OH Lori I am so sorry to hear that. Poor Aurora.....How is her COPD (heaves)? isn't she an older mare? I would say this sounds like a fine time for her to retire from mom duties. hugs to you and to the mare.......you are a real gem.
 
EVERYBODY PLEASE STOP RIGHT NOW!!!

I posted this with some trepidation because although I knew there would be people concerned and wondering and felt it was only fair to let you know what happened I was worried that we would get more of this reaction. I called Bob first and he was very upset. He came to get the foal and bury it properly which isn't easy here at this time of year. He is trying to feel better about the whole thing by thinking that in future we can get Aurora healthy and sound enough to be able to have another baby.

When Bob got Aurora she was suffering terribly from her heavey condition and it is my feeling that she had just foaled prior to his getting her. Bob promptly got medical care for this mare and her heaves have improved to the point that when my vet examined her he found very little evidence that she actually had suffered from heaves and that was when she was fully pregnant again.

When Bob asked me if I thought he would be able to ever breed her again I said lets not worry about that at this point, lets just get her healthy and strong and then we will see and he said oh yes I am planning on giving her a good long rest before I would even think about it.

We all know Bob made a mistake. We also know that he had the courage and the concern for Aurora to allow me to help him with her. I think he has been raked over the coals enough already.

I can assure you that there will be no more "accidental" pregnancies for this mare. IF and only IF she gets to the point where she is healthy and strong enough to carry a foal will she ever be bred again. IF that should happen Bob will be keeping a very close eye on her body condition, knows how to do that now and will feed her accordingly. You must see that the majority of people here that know Bob personally are behind him and that should give you reason to think twice about his motives and not just assume the worst of him.

You should all take a leaf from Marty's book and think twice about how you are wording your post BEFORE you post it. There are ways to be helpful and not hurtful and after all that is what this forum is all about - HELPING OTHERS WITH THEIR MINIS!!!
 
EVERYBODY PLEASE STOP RIGHT NOW!!!

I posted this with some trepidation because although I knew there would be people concerned and wondering and felt it was only fair to let you know what happened I was worried that we would get more of this reaction. I called Bob first and he was very upset. He came to get the foal and bury it properly which isn't easy here at this time of year. He is trying to feel better about the whole thing by thinking that in future we can get Aurora healthy and sound enough to be able to have another baby.

When Bob got Aurora she was suffering terribly from her heavey condition and it is my feeling that she had just foaled prior to his getting her. Bob promptly got medical care for this mare and her heaves have improved to the point that when my vet examined her he found very little evidence that she actually had suffered from heaves and that was when she was fully pregnant again.

When Bob asked me if I thought he would be able to ever breed her again I said lets not worry about that at this point, lets just get her healthy and strong and then we will see and he said oh yes I am planning on giving her a good long rest before I would even think about it.

We all know Bob made a mistake. We also know that he had the courage and the concern for Aurora to allow me to help him with her. I think he has been raked over the coals enough already.

I can assure you that there will be no more "accidental" pregnancies for this mare. IF and only IF she gets to the point where she is healthy and strong enough to carry a foal will she ever be bred again. IF that should happen Bob will be keeping a very close eye on her body condition, knows how to do that now and will feed her accordingly. You must see that the majority of people here that know Bob personally are behind him and that should give you reason to think twice about his motives and not just assume the worst of him.

You should all take a leaf from Marty's book and think twice about how you are wording your post BEFORE you post it. There are ways to be helpful and not hurtful and after all that is what this forum is all about - HELPING OTHERS WITH THEIR MINIS!!!
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EVERYBODY PLEASE STOP RIGHT NOW!!!

I posted this with some trepidation because although I knew there would be people concerned and wondering and felt it was only fair to let you know what happened I was worried that we would get more of this reaction. I called Bob first and he was very upset. He came to get the foal and bury it properly which isn't easy here at this time of year. He is trying to feel better about the whole thing by thinking that in future we can get Aurora healthy and sound enough to be able to have another baby.

When Bob got Aurora she was suffering terribly from her heavey condition and it is my feeling that she had just foaled prior to his getting her. Bob promptly got medical care for this mare and her heaves have improved to the point that when my vet examined her he found very little evidence that she actually had suffered from heaves and that was when she was fully pregnant again.

When Bob asked me if I thought he would be able to ever breed her again I said lets not worry about that at this point, lets just get her healthy and strong and then we will see and he said oh yes I am planning on giving her a good long rest before I would even think about it.

We all know Bob made a mistake. We also know that he had the courage and the concern for Aurora to allow me to help him with her. I think he has been raked over the coals enough already.

I can assure you that there will be no more "accidental" pregnancies for this mare. IF and only IF she gets to the point where she is healthy and strong enough to carry a foal will she ever be bred again. IF that should happen Bob will be keeping a very close eye on her body condition, knows how to do that now and will feed her accordingly. You must see that the majority of people here that know Bob personally are behind him and that should give you reason to think twice about his motives and not just assume the worst of him.

You should all take a leaf from Marty's book and think twice about how you are wording your post BEFORE you post it. There are ways to be helpful and not hurtful and after all that is what this forum is all about - HELPING OTHERS WITH THEIR MINIS!!!
AMEN, LORI..
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I am a little confused over this.................

Milo Minis
I can assure you that there will be no more "accidental" pregnancies for this mare. IF and only IF she gets to the point where she is healthy and strong enough to carry a foal will she ever be bred again.
Firstly (to all) bob has previously stated how this pregnancy came to be......................yet people are still accusing him of doing it on purpose (I do not know if this was your intention Lori by typing "accident" as shown, but there were certainly others that have implied this)! I personally was not present so am unable to say one way or the other what happened, but I do know this........................IT IS BOB'S BUSINESS AND ONLY BOB'S BUSINESS! IF he chose to get Tonto and Aurora together IT'S HIS BUSINESS..............IF Bob chooses to get Tonto & Aurora together at a later date ALSO Bob's business! It is one thing to help out here but telling people what to do is another! A good example of this below.........

runamuk Posted Today, 04:02 PM
OH Lori I am so sorry to hear that. Poor Aurora.....How is her COPD (heaves)? isn't she an older mare? I would say this sounds like a fine time for her to retire from mom duties. hugs to you and to the mare.......you are a real gem.
Again only BOB'S decisions.................! :no:
 
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